2012-05-30 PM (VG): Breivik Trial: Day 27: Police Investigation:

2012-05-30 PM (VG): Breivik Trial: Day 27: Police Investigation:

PST: Police Supt.: Dag Uppheim | KRIPOS: Police Supt: Vidar Sæther | KRIPOS: Police Supt: Anette Seip

Andrea Muhrrteyn | Norway v. Breivik | VG.NO

08:36: Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Today there are six from the Oslo police, who will testify about the extensive investigation of 22 July attacks.

* Following is the Nissen police superintendent Dag Uppheim from the Police Security Service (PST) turn. He led the group that underwent Breivik's 1518-page manifesto.

* Following is the police captain Vidar Saether from the NCIS. He will testify about the investigation of alleged Breivik's organization Knights Templar. We are always ready to answer any questions you may have about the trial or other questions about the terror case.

* Following is a police superintendent Anette Seip from the NCIS. She led the group that investigates Breivik purchase and procurement of equipment prior to the terrorist attack. They have looked at both the purchase of bomb ingredients, weapons and other things.

12:32:


Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen:
- As negotiations continue.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
While going through Dag Uppheim Breivik's interview of himself in the manifesto, note Breivik much. Even defenders Geir Lippestad and Vibeke Hein Bæra notes now. The sakkynidige look straight at the witness stand. Before the break asked Judge Wenche Arntzen questions about the proposals Breivik have listed other terrorists can be considered as suggestions he comes with, or whether there are existing councils. Now answer Uppheim that it is difficult to answer this, but that he believes one can say that it is Breivik's proposal that he believes should be used later in the Civil War he believes will come.

12:43:

Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- Chapters in book 3 was structured under ... I had come to the various phases of the ongoing civil war. The defendant described including how to make his fortune in a war situation by investing in gold and precious stones. It was written about a coup in France that would spread in Western Europe. The defendant has a practical approach to the topic it appears that it is written that the confrontation was rewarded with one kilogram of gold. In the theme of "further studies" is an interview with a Templar on 76 pages. It appears that the temple knight is the defendant himself. The interview has a number of questions which are accounted for considerations of how the accused will be perceived by society at the time. - What distinguishes today's crusaders from the jihadists. The defendant places himself in the political landscape and describes, what distinguishes him from the Nazis. Section contains text that said the more personal nature. The interview will be personal, such as answering the question of how the defendants were radicalized and, among other things, Serbia-war in 1999 are presented as a personal turning point. He points to the episodes that have helped to increase his political involvement. It's taken a resume that includes everything from political appointments and professional experience. The defendant names and gives personal characteristics of those he considers his closest friends. - There is also a 70-page Knights Templar history in which the accused dates and descriptions of activities. The history starts in April-May 2002 and 2002-2006 are summarized in short paragraphs and bear no signs of being written in real time. The period 2006-2008 is also very brief, but from the autumn of 2009, it is more frequent and longer log entries, the bulk of the log is about preparing for a violent action, but there are also a number of personal considerations, dealing with unnamed friends and relative utleveverende information them. - Over 19 pages in the end is a kind of logging activities in which the defendant describes the preparation of the action, but also more personal activities such as dining and more. So close I was to get in goal when the electronics failed me in the place, I unde emphasizes that this is a topic that is discussed, and there are things I've left out, so it will be in such a short presentation. I am a bit unsure how to evaluate the language all means no. Sequences related medals, gradsstystem, formulated in some scenes as if this exists and is a straightforward reference to the places you can get medals. We also know that there are others where it appears clearly that it is etforslag, so I must say that I'm a little unsure of what the defendant intends to convey. - In this a suggestion or exists. Still there is something that the organization will get up later, out in the Civil War, in a later phase. Thus, it is perhaps a fair to say that there is a suggestion. Although some parts already exist. [Judge Arntzen: - There is an introduction to Part 3 Have you seen anything on it?] Yes, it is clear that by including such a legal disclaimer, it would be lawful to hold any shoulder and distributors to spread this. It is legal to publish this book is 3 and a couple of chapters in book 2 But it says that this is fiction. It is fiction based on a hypothetical scenario, if the threat continues. I must say, it gets a little subjective, because of the legal diclaimeren, it may be possible that it is written only if the police would be manifest in our hands. [Judge Arntzen: - Thank you so much. Does either party have any questions?] [The prosecutor Holden: - Thank you. This with footnotes, potential map coordinates ... a victim of Utøya do not want to stay at their current address in Liverpool because the coordinates correspond to his address there. Can you say anything about it?] It had an inkling that the question came. In relation to the articles that the defendant has taken from the net, he also brought in its footnotes for reference. These footnotes are the 46 false footnotes, which can not be found among the footnotes in the original articles as they were published on the web. One of these is repeated, so there are 45 different false footnotes.

Comments from VG Marianne bay:
Alongside prosecutors sitting police assessor. Today, Anita Lian who normally works as an investigator on violence section of the Oslo police. She is part of 22 July-unit that was established after the terrorist attacks. Holden wants to know if the footnotes Breivik has used in the manifesto, which at the beginning of the footnote is written koordinatkode. Uppheim says it suggests that this is kartkoodinater to ten different European cities. At the end of several footnotes are incorporated Cyrillic letters. In 16 cases, the letters that are unique in the Serbian alphabet. Police have received help from experts in encryption, but they have not been able to identify numbers and sequence of letters between the coordinates and the Cyrillic letters. When Uppheim talking about the number and letter sequence in the footnotes that the police have not found out what is, note Breivik much. Earlier today, he has smiled on several occasions, but I can not see that he does now.

12:50:


Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- common ones is that they can look like web addresses, they are not real and do not do an exact location and everyone has a series of numbers beginning that probably constitutes map coordinates. If they read the map coordinates hit the ten different cities in Western European countries. It is hard to imagine being random. Because of too few digits for precise positioning, they form a rectangle of 110 meters east-west and 55 meters north-south. The alleged map coordinates included a letter and number that does not make sense for us. The false coordinates ends with Cyrillic letters. They are found in the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. They also have letters that are unique in the Serbian language. It is included in 16 of the incorrect footnotes. To summarize: when it comes to the coordinates as they appear as if it's map coordinates that lead to ten cities in Western European countries. The other letters and numbers makes no sense. - We noted early on that the defendant in his resume that is contained in the manifesto, states that he has knowledge of cryptography. It is a knowledge that the investigation has not been able to uncover, but he has written in the CV. I will ask to make a crypto expert assessment of the Manifesto. [Reading from the conclusion of the report on manifesto cryptographic nature. They have not been able to discover what the number and letter ranks matters or in case what they mean.] - It makes no sense for us, the many private companies that have engaged in their own online forum, but I'm not aware of any has managed to gain an understanding of these letters - and rows of numbers contained in these false footnotes. [Holden: - The last thing you said was that we have not been able to find what is in the Serb letters and the coordinates?] If we look from there, so we have no understanding of it. It's done a kryptofaglig assessment, but it's hard for me to know if it makes any sense to him, or if it is just to create fear. it has at least created some awareness of this document. - [Holden: - When is the compendium written?] As I relate to that stated in the document, it is difficult to conclude. He says that he began work in 2006. And as we see that the log I showed the picture of, so it appears that from 2006 to 2008, he works with the manifest. But there are a lot of text in this manifesto that does not contain references to time. It is not possible to determine when they are written, even though this is written in order from first to last letter. There are a lot of text especially in book three, which is clearly written in parallel with time. But there is also some text which does not contain any form of tidfestbare events. So I think I must conclude that I can not say for sure. The log is more detailed in the autumn of 2009 and there is a marked difference between book one and book two when it comes to character. Book three has a much more violent character than the previous two books. In a sequence I have shown pictures of the 2003 to 2006, we see that he had a plan A to distribute a legitimate version of the compendium, but that he partly because of losses in the stock market failed to distribute a legitimate version. He therefore turns to plan B, which was a violent campaign to promote it.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Police Superintendent Day Uppheim finish in his post, and defending Geir Lippestad have taken over the questioning. Lippestad will, among other things, the type of warfare Breivik talking about in his manifesto, and what he means by demographic warfare. - In broad terms that we have opened our borders to Muslims taking over our culture. He believes that they have a higher birth rate reinforces this, answer Uppheim, who led the investigation of the manifest.

Comments from VG Jarle Brenna:
Here you can see a graphical overview of how the codes were added Breivik hit. These codes are located in the manifesto was the theme in the media as early as last August. When I wrote this story: Police believe hidden codes can be "terrorist-PR".

13:00:


Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- If the change in grades from the first two books of the third indicates that he has begun a legal action is cleansed spukulasjon on my part. I note that Fjord Mans articles mainly first published in 2006 and 2008. Apart from one, it is not later articles published from Fjordman. [The prosecutor Holden: - It was a sufficient answer to the question.] [Defense Lippestad: - When it comes to views on what kind of warfare going on in Europe now has been an issue earlier. You said that the manifesto told us about three waves of warfare, and we are now in the wooden stage, with demographic warfare. What types of war Breivik spoke about in his manifesto and what does demokgrafisk warfare?] We have opened our borders and the Muslim women have a higher birth rate than ethnic European women. [Lippestad: - So this is not about the war with conventional weapons to do in the normal sense?] Not as far as I understand. But while there are sequences that describe the drug sales as a consequence of several Muslims. Muslims are described as evil and those who appear quiet is really just dormant cells, because they are waiting to get into a styrkepositjson. Some concepts in book 1, that it is permissible for a Muslim to lie to an infidel, and renounce their faith to protect itself ... [Lippestad: - But the war that I understand that we are now in, is more of a demographic and mental war between two cultures?] Yes, much of which is not outlined by Breivik. In book 1 and 2 have Breivik written very little. However, it is composed of Breivik. I have used a senior adviser in the PST to summarize the documents. It outlined a conspiracy between the European authorities. - [Defense Lippestad: - Is there any clue in the manifesto that he believes there is a conventional civil war?] No, it made ​​a distinction between what is with weapons and what today is a demographic warfare. [Judge Arntzen: - Can I interject an extension of it, can you explain what is in phase one?] It is argued that dialogue is futile and it will be impossible to reach. And he argues that they will be ridiculed by the politically correct media. The gray from 55 to 99, that I take as a sign of the NATO action in Serbia started, and finally put an end to dialogue. [Judge Arntzen: - So it says "open source warfare," what do you think that?] It is to see the shock attack by secret self-propelled cells that do not have contact with each other, and are not vulnerable. [The judge ask enough questions about the manifesto] He describes how an action like this will help to spread the word, and that truth is hidden from the people to open their eyes to the people and unite in a resistance struggle. The truth manifesto represents.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Lippestad also ask questions about the language manifesto written in - English, starting with asking the Day Uppheim is good in English. He says that he is not particularly good, but that there have been literate in English who have undergone it. These småspørsmålene leading to the main question: - Have you found a word or phrase that has meaning? It denies Uppheim. Such questions are important to ask for Lippestad in light of the issue of tilrengnelighet. Armed Forces are fighting as we know that Brevik be judged criminally sane.

13:04:


Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- [Holden - I can throw me in and interject a question. I noticed your response to conventional war or not. The second bullet point there, with this "shock attacks", how would you rate it against conventional war?] Thus, it's a "shock attack" absolutely. But it described not necessarily mean that there is today, it's not a conventional war between Islam and Europe in Europe, but it is ... Yes, it's a bit difficult to understand always what he means. [Lippestad: - But that's the way that what he has done is an example of such a "shock attack"?] Yes, that way I perceive it. [Lippestad: - You said that in any part of part 3, he had been rewritten or added some other concepts in the articles than the original writer had done. Among other things, he is American. Are there examples of "Fjord Manns' texts?] Not as far as I know. - She who has summarized Fjord Mans articles wrote in his report that one must take into account that they look similar, but there may be changes. We are not very easy word for word for word. We have not done [Lippestad: - Are you aware if there were, we heard about the name on the manifest. Are you aware of a has been no working titles previously, with a different name?] I've only interacted with information in the manifest, and where I can not remember it being shown a different name. - [Lippestad: - I assume you are good in English?] Not specifically. [Lippestad: - Have you received help from someone knowledgeable in English?] Yes, I sat for the most part in meetings of the city, and then, when it was needed to explain certain issues, so I got help. But I am able to read it, I use the dictionary frequently. [Lippestad: My question is if you find words, phrases that you think does not exist, you have met on many such issues?] No, we have looked at what he writes and says about his movements, we are investigators. I am here today because the prosecutor wants it. [Lippestad: - But there has been an issue that there are many strange words and expressions which?] No, not really, but some, for example, he writes about the hundred most multicultural parties, there is a new word for me. But it is more a description than an explanation [Lippestad: You said something about how Breivik has described himself justisciar.] Justicia, yes [Lippestad: - Justicia, Knights Commander. It was to lead a solo cell or that it was self-appointed?] I think it was either a solo cell or more. [Lippestad: - Or more, yes, but there are some places in the manifesto in which he describes himself as a historically great person, a king or what we might call historical greats, that you remember?] Not that I can think of exactly when respect him, but there are sequences that in a hundred years we will be understood and revered as heroes and pioneers, but not particularly tied to his person, I am going on the road. [Lippestad: - No, thank you. ]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Earlier today Breivik twisted somewhat in his chair, leaned back and tilted. Now he sits very quiet and notes very much. The first legal expert team, Synne Sørheim and Torgeir Husby, sits and chats a little with each other while coordinating counsel Frode Elgesem question. Geir Lippestad take the word and says Breivik wish to comment, and that he wishes that the witness remain in the hall while he speak. Arntzen says it is okay.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
- It is important to get to, is that it is written twice in the beginning of the lecture notes that there is a draft, says Breivik. An important question that is asked is who the target audience for the compendium. The answer is that this is not meant for the man in the street, but the militant nationalists and those who sympathize with us, he adds.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Wenche Arntzen requested in advance only to comment on the Day Uppheim have said, and not the other. He gets the opportunity later. Breivik talking in a calm tone of voice, and moving much at all. He keeps his eyes fixed on the judge Arntzen those times when he looks up. Mostly, he looks down at his paper that he has frequently quoted on throughout the day. All four experts have turned to Breivik and study him carefully when he speaks. The hall is silent.

13:16:


Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- [Assistance Attorney Elgesem: - There are a few questions from the coordinating aid lawyers. Back to the first two parts. Was it investigated whether it is his own work, or it may originate from other sources that are not credited?] Something I feel confident that his work is, the description of A and B forrædre. However, other parts can be rewritten from others. We have not gone into what parts of the sentence he has written himself. [Elgesem: - The creation of KT. It describes a trip to Liberia. Is there also some tangible opplysniger otherwise KT has done, such as other terrorist acts that KT was responsible?] It should be speculation about a theft can be committed by a Swedish sister cell. But this is depreciated later. [Elgesem: - Breivik's concerned that it has committed a series of terrorist attacks. Later we will probably get an overview of this. But there is nothing in the manifesto that connects it to KT?] No, it is described as cells without contact [Elgesem: - Breivik describes this as a pompous presentation. Is it compatible with what's in the manifesto? A description of the knights and the purpose of the organization?] It is clear that there is a lot of time to outline a degree system, tombstones, initiation rituals and so on. Each cell guides guides to how this can be done. [Elgesem: - It may be compatible with the text in the document that this is the future and do not exist today?] Yes. [Elgesem: - Is there any correlation between the coordinates in the footnotes hit in Europe?] I'll be a little foriktig the Oslo Police have seen a pattern. We have not. [Elgesem: - The group of victims of terrorist acts Breivik is large and varied, ranging from casual passers-by to young AUF members Utøya and employees of the government quarter. Have you seen his hit on the definitions in relation to who he actually hit?]

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
- I have not rewritten any items, but have replaced words as used on American words that are easier to understand in Europe, says Breivik. He also says that he has done previously, that the original title was "In Praise of a new Knighthood." Breivik said that they kryptografete tags in the manifest can not be understood without an encoding scheme.

13:17:


Witness Dag Uppheim, police superintendent PST:
- He had written something about it. He describes a system and it becomes difficult to interpret what he means, but based his categorization of children Utøya, it can not be categorized as A - and B-traitors based on the manifest. [Lawyer Elgesem: - He writes that the B-traitors are politicians and EU parliamentarians. It qualifies as for certain actions that the author thinks] It appears to eight charges of belonging to the point where it outlined specific accusations. The crime is formulated as a forbytelse or indictment. It is not always easy to conclude what he meant. [Defense Lippestad: - The request here is whether the defendant can take his comments as the expert witness is here. [Judge Arntzen: - Yes, I think that's okay] - [Judge Arntzen: - I think this is a good idea. I only have one question. Appears in the manifest if it is a finished work or if it is unfinished?] As noted in the introduction, it is described as a good product, but he also encourages others to continue to write on it, and he also takes Subject to the English language. And in two chapters, it appears that these chapters are not finished, but only two chapters totaling 16 pages. [Judge Arntzen: - Okay. I ask you to stand in the witness box, in case you have some answers to Breivik comments.] [Breivik will give their comments.]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
After Breivik was finished reading up on their comments, he drank the glass of water he has in front of him. Day Uppheim said he had nothing to add, and the comments triggered no questions from participants.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
A new police witness has taken place in the auditorium. The police captain Vidar Saether from the NCIS. He will talk about the investigation of the Knights Templar.

Comments from VG Jarle Brenna:
Police investigating Knights Templar have dealt with Anders Breivik Behring's manifesto 'and his explanations of why Knights Templar were created, and how and why Breivik was recruited, the network's size and organization of meetings in London and the Baltics.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
Saether begins by reading from the emergency Amta lean to Breivik, where he presents himself as commander of the Knights Templar Europe.

13:21:


Behring Anders Breivik:
- It is very important to get to is that in the introduction to the compendium is written on two occasions that this is a draft, and this is something the witness can confirm, the word used is "draft" , which is the draft in Norwegian, and I recommend others to further develop it, it's a starting point. Then there's another important question that is not taken, who is the compendium intended. Who is your target audience, the man in the street or the other. - And the answer is that it is not meant for the man in the street, but the militant nationalists and sympathizers of militant nationalists. There are those who are in the gray area to tip over, there are those it is meant for and it is a relatively small group. And when it came to so-called peaceful Muslims, I mean not everyone is sleeping cells, but I have written kompendeiet us, we will largely be dominated by orthodox Muslims for a so-called secular Muslim has no influence on the development of Islam. There is also something that can be confirmed by the compendium. And I have not rewritten any items, such as it was an essay from [..] that was on the four sides, 0.2 percent of the compendium, I would have replaced an American word that was quite incomprehensible to Europeans, with a that was easier to understand, I have done several times. The working title until 2008, as I have said in the interview, was "In Praise of the knighthoodog knew it was in 2008 that I changed the title to the European Declaration of Independence. And as I said earlier, I have written about 40 percent of the compendium itself. And the last point in the interrogation, I told about the coordinates of the [...] it must have a coordinating encoding scheme I have spoken to the police in the beginning. Beyond that, I have no comments.

Witness Dag Uppheim, Police Superintendent PST:
- [Judge Arntzen: - In front of the lines that further comments from your side?] No, not really, if there are ambiguities in this. [Judge Arntzen: - Thank you.] [Witness Day Uppheim leave the courtroom.] [Next witnessed police captain Vidar Saether from the NCIS takes the witness stand and presents vitneed.] [The prosecutor Engh: - You've made ​​a presentation of what Breivik describes as Knights Templar. Then you can begin.]

13:22:

Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
Vidar Saether - For the introduction. I'm on NCIS in an analysis group at the tactical department. After the first phase had gone to bed early, I asked to see the Knights Templar and what he has written about it and explained it in interviews. Initially, I will return to the second call that Breivik called the police on 22 July, which was played in court during Holden's keynote speech.

Comments from VG Jarle Brenna
Breivik has, according to him, was a sleeper cell since he was ordained under the Knights Templar in London 1 May 2002. A prerequisite for Breivik could attend the London meeting was alleged that he assumed this had to travel to Liberia to meet a Serbian war hero.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
One of the main objectives of this investigation team has been to determine whether the organization actually exists, and who may have been the other members. They have not been able to prove.

Comment by Marianne Vika VG:
Like the other police witnesses earlier today, has also Vidar Saether an electronic presentation that he shows on canvas seats in the auditorium. The experts have now set back facing the witness stand. They did after Breivik was finished reading your comments before witnessed the change. Breivik sit up straight and look at the canvas he has ahead of him. Sometimes he drinks from his water glass.

Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- When he came through for the first time. Breivik calls and says the operation is carried out and that he wants to surrender. He says that he belongs to "Knights Templar Europe." "I have just performed an operation on behalf of the Knights Templar Norway and Europe." Then it became a goal in relation to that, he says he belongs to a named organization, to determine whether there is a European organization called the Knights Templar and that he performed an operation on behalf of the organization. We have only Breivik his explanations to assume. So what's in the manifesto and his explanations, subjective information. In the manifesto, as he describes also how he came into contact with the organization and how he was chosen.

Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent KRIPOS:
- From the manifesto page 1639 and 1640 [Reading from the manifesto on how Breivik says that he came in contact with other minded and he said that they were skeptical of him]. Here he says that he came in contact with those who established the organization through the internet, and he has scheduled a half years ahead of the establishment meeting in London. Furthermore, it is said that there was an evaluation of him in advance, and this with bacground check and that he was chosen by many, he says several hundred in Europe. - [Continues to read from the manifest if it Breivik said the meeting with the other Knights Templar members in London, including one that previously must have lived in Liberia.] our task is to find out if there is information that is verifiable. And from his description of an ERD organisajonen not many places we can do it and see it in context with other objective information and subjective information, that testimony. But he says that it conducted a background check in 2002, and we must look at what information there is about him in 2002. Furthermore, it travels, it's the only thing he has given us the information that we can verify. He also tells of a Serb and that he was the envoy of the Serb establishments. He also said that there was a subsequent meeting of the Baltic States.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
The police have carefully examined Breivik's movements in 2002, when he should have met a Serbian war hero in Liberia. Breivik claims he traveled to Britain where the organization was founded. They also examined his movements in the Baltics, where he claims that there were two subsequent meetings. To verify a this, the police under scrutiny Breivik's bank details and checked his travels abroad.

Comments from VG Jarle Brenna:
** Breivik has changed the explanation from the Knights Templar recruits extremely talented individuals, who were not in the "intelligence agency data bases," that they recruited Breivik by chance. Breivik has changed ** explanation from the Knights Templar was a pan-European organization with at least 25-30 members to be a network consisting of six persons. Breivik ** had economic motives for their trips to Liberia, Lithuania and Estonia. At the same time it can not be refuted that Breivik may have met a Serb in Liberia, three people in London in 2002 and people in Lithuania and Estonia in 2004.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
While Sæther tells what the main points of their investigation of the Knights Templar is, Breivik continues to write. He alternates frequently by looking at lerrettet and take notes. It may thus appear as if he writes down these bullet points. Saether took a short break to go to the bench where the prosecution is to pick up water. Typically there is a water carafe and glass in the witness box, but it did apparently not now.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
Police chief assistant are now reviewing some historical facts about the bombing of Serbia in 1999, and Norway's role in this conflict. Under questioning by prosecutor Breivik put him firmly on the question of the Progress Party's attitude to the bombing, which Breivik said that he was strongly opposed and which was causative of his political involvement. Progress Party supported this bombing NATO auspices. It did not Breivik. - When the bombing started, Breivik at a police training under the auspices of FpU, Sæther says.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
terrorist smiles broadly when Sæther reads his interrogation of 31 last August in which he explains about why he was elected Knight Templars. Among other things, Breivik said that he "was in many respects a multi-talented back then" (in 2002 journalist. Note).

13:34:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- This is what we have as a starting point to examine his explanation. In his further presentation, I have four issues that I should concentrate on, which is important for the creation of KT and if we can say whether it exists or not. The reason for the Kosovo conflict for the establishment of the Knights Templar and Breivik in 2002. Why Breivik were selected. Trips to Liberia and Stobritannia. Trips to Baltics (Lituaen and Estonia). We start with Kosobokonflikten. It started 24 March 1999. Prior to this there had been (...) Norway had a role as a NATO member, but we also had the chairmanship of the OSCE. We also had a diplomatic framework for the conflict. The observers pulled out 24 March and the bombing began shortly afterwards. Then the politician Breivik School 1 in the Progress Party. How active he was, there are different messages. But he went on a course that went over four nights, four hours each session. In the manifesto he mentions Kosovo conflict. [Quote from the manifesto] This is a personal reason for him that he was involved in the fight. The 23 august, why KT was established is that (referring to Bondevik and Vollvik roles during the bombing of Kosovo). For him personally, from an interview 1 March [read the interview where Breivik said that the bombing of Kosovo was the drop that made ​​the cup to overflowing for Breivik.] In court earlier said Breivik that the bombing of Kosovo was probably more important for other people's involvement.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
Sæther is now the police assessment of why precisely Breivik said to have been selected to be a member of the Knights Templar. He describes potential members as very intelligent people who are not registered in the databases to European security services. He even claims that the Knights Templar did a background check of him before the meeting in Liberia. - In 2002, Breivik worked as a telemarketer after having dropped out of high school. He had not completed military service. He had the office of the lokallagsleder FpU and was fined for tagging, Sæther says.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Sæther During presentation of the investigation of the Knight Templars alternates the five judges to look at him and looking at the paperwork they have on the table before him. Beforehand, all participants received a printout of your presentation so that they can follow there as well. In addition, it appears the three canvas seats here do not.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
- If we assume that the bombing in 1999 was decisive for the establishment of the Knights Templar. This was something the party Breivik was a member supported. This speaks not to the benefit of Breivik's a Serbian war hero, says Sæther.

13:40:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- What we will see later is that this may have been somewhat contradictory to his political activities. What's on in the manifesto is a "screening and background check." [Sæther references from interviews made ​​shortly after the attack on Utøya and government districts and later in August. There, Breivik explained that the organization Knights Templar as the focus is on extremely gifted individuals who are intelligent and that he has good persuasion and was very results-oriented in relation to rhetorical approaches. He also said that he could infiltrate any organization outside the Muslim] It is a little explanation of why he was chosen and based on his resume. So the pompous presentation in relation to what he says in the manifesto and what he has said in interviews. [Sæther does not start with the latest interviews and what Breivik said during the trial] It's the way it appeared to us in the autumn of last year. Settled to see who Breivik was in 2002, so he does not completed high school and worked as a telemarketer for several years and started three companies, all with deficit and he has had two councilors. Criminal Registry is that he is fined for graffiti in 1995. [Sæther also mentions a relationship]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Breivik leans back in his chair and follows with interest the Sæther shows timeline analysis group in 22 July-unit has made. It showed what positions and what Breivik worked with when he traveled to Liberia. It is this journey which is now subject.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
Police found receipts for the purchase of a magnifying glass and equipment to assess the diamonds before he traveled to Liberia. They also found phone bills showing calls made ​​to businesses engaged in diamonds. VG has written about Liberia-trip and the unanswered questions, which you can read here.

13:44:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- A question then becomes how can someone overseas do a background check on a Norwegian citizen, what resources they have to implement it. Same to check if someone is not flagged in the "intelligence databases" as it was described at the beginning and does not belong to extremist organizations. Apart from just that, there has been the ability to scan people without police clearance, there was at least looking at the purpose of the compatibility of what was Breivik background. And then we see as the Breivik's party affiliation, according to the Progress Party has always had a strong relationship with NATO, and in connection with the Kosovo war was that position that Kosovo should become an independent state. - The assessment, when a Serbian war hero should have access to the kind of information is a bit contradictory as to whether he should be elected. It may not have spoken in his favor, as we see it. Then we go on to travel. Alf Claus was on this that we compare the subjective statements of objective information. the kind of access to information is much greater in the first months before the terrorist actions, and will then decline gradually. This is partly because we do not have the opportunity to continue to gather research tracks because of, among other storage. When we begin to collect information abroad, then it becomes difficult to verify what he has said about what happened in other countries, the amount of information flow is more limited. - Liberia trip and the London trip, we have dated from the 16th April to 3 of May. He had taken on board in Progress Majorstua, and in January 2002 put on his position as vice chairman of the FPU Oslo West and go on to become the director in the fall. Diplomaservices.com's not until sluttten of 2002, I make a small correction on the date size of the presentation, he bought the domain 17.11.2002. Breivik testified that he traveled to Liberia at the time, and that there is civil war. In connection with the seizure is found a receipt, which is dated in advance of travel 18 March, the purchase of two diamonds, a lens and a magnifying glass. [Arntzen: - When did you verified that he had traveled to Liberia and London at these times?] We were quite early hold of his passport, which showed that he had been in Liberia for the times. London was a bit more difficult to find, I will come back to, but that he had been in Africa, so we are pretty early. The two diamonds are found at home Breivik.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
The police have found phone bills until the travel company he used in Liberia, but they had no idea of what kind of hotel he may have stayed at. The archives were destroyed. Police believe that Breivik arrived in Liberia 18 April, but know little about what he was doing while he was there. - Two days later, he stamps the passport back to travel to Ivory Coast. He takes out more money. 20. april he's back again, and is there until the 28th april. Sæther says. Based on receipt of a Mont Blanc pen, according to the police that he must have taken a flight from Nairobi to Heathrow 30 april.

13:51:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- We also found specific phone bills, from the time period April to October 2002. This is a phone in Marie Street [VG choose not to enter the number in the street], where Breivik lived. The list is found phone calls that we can relate to the journey. 5. and 18 March, we find calls to 12 different business affiliations that relate to travel and telemarketing. We also see that he is calling for travel companies abroad that have something to do with Liberia travel. 4.4 he calls a diamond shop in London, engaged in diamond cutting and grinding. 5.4 calls the Freestyle Travel in Oslo, and then calls the Travel Clinic. We see that he transfers to these companies. The company was dissolved in 2003 and we have not succeeded to obtain the order Breivik did then. We have extracted the records showing that he took the vaccines at the Travel Clinic. (...) It coincides with our perception of when he should have gone. 15.4 he calls again to Diamond House, and another business in the same street in London. British police have been in contact with these businesses and say that it is not uncommon that people contact them and offer rough diamonds from Africa. Most of the offers they refuse, because providers have insufficient knowledge of diamonds and the quality is not good enough. They have not had any customer relationship Breivik. The same day he also calls a travel agency in Liberia. But we had no information about Breivik in their records. All information is deleted after five years in their records. The last thing we see in Norway is that he is on the National Theatre and the Stock Street at the airport abroad. For these transactions, we have not the supplements. And we see that he has been on the Liberian embassy in Ivory Coast.

13:54:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- judging from travel journals for travel clinic is the sannsynmlig that he left on 16 and the Ivory Coast on 17 april. The 18 april we see him take out the money in local currency in the Ivory Coast. The same day, we see there is a visa stamp at Roberts International Airport in Liberia. We know very little what he did besides his own testimony in Liberia. We have not been able to find objective information. Then Breivik, according to him have been "training course". It was from the first part of the trip to Liberia where he was twice. He stamps that is out again two days after the 18th april. He has two outlets in just over 10,000 dollars in Ivory Coast, he has explained that he had with the euro down and had to exchange them for dollars. He returns to Liberia the second time on 22 and is there until the 28th april. As I said earlier, we do not order with travel company so we did not order or how he got down until we found a receipt dated the 30th april. When it is paid for a Mont Blanc pen for $ 130 on a plane to London and he landed there in the morning.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
The police have recently found that Breivik returned from Liberia 30 april 2002 because he bought a Mount Blanc pen on the plane, that the land in Nairobi, Kenya. According to the flight he landed in London early in the morning of 30 april. These days are very controversial, since Breivik has always maintained that the alleged ordineringsmøtet the Knights Templar took place in London 1 of May. Besides the two transactions in two different cafes or pubs in the UK 3 May, police have not found traces of him. Since these are chains, police have not figured out where in London it is. Police have found traces of the Breivik returned to Norway with the last plane 3 of May.

13:55:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- When we have over to what he says even happen, because we must to London. There were two meetings where Breivik then met with three people, and it will then be another meeting where Breivik met four people. Then there were three people who did not. Breivik was substitute for one of them. If screening was performed on all who participated, I had this organization had the capacity to intelligence in 11 different countries. So look Breivik only on the three he met as part of the organization. At that meeting, he has thus described some content on it: "I was the youngest one there [...] I believe I scribbled down 50 pages of information, some of Which are enclosed in the book. [...] I could not fully comprehend how lucky I was to be in the same room with some of the world's best military strategicians. [...] Some of us were really Unfamiliar with Each Other before hand, so I guess we all took a great risk meeting face to face. "

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
The Manifesto Breivik writes that his plan for the inaugural meeting was to serve 30 million. Police have gone through paypal-his history and found that he has purchased equipment to measure and weigh diamonds. - He is purchasing several items that can be linked to diamonds, Sæther says.

13:58:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- While Breivik says he has a magnificent presentation, he says that everything in the manifest is true. It is a little difficult to deal with, but we see that here he portrays the members that they have properties that are a bit distinct, they are politicians and military characteristics. This receipt, we have found recently, but in connection with his account information so we got confirmation that he has had two transactions in England 3 of May. [Engh: - Are there cafes, or both?] The one we think is a pub, and the other, we know that is a chain, we do not know where in London it is. We see that the next transaction is in Norway, we have seen on the login history on Skandia bank, the night 3 - 4 And the last plane to land in Norway, the night 3 Therefore, we are reasonably confident that he landed in Norway 3 of May. So we are over what happened after the journey. Then Breivik explained that he had a plan A, he would serve 30 million. - [Arntzen: - You said he came to Britain 30 May? So he was there from the 30th to 3 ?] Yes, that's right. He will serve 30 million to build an NGO. What we find then is that he has a transaction to a business in the U.S., we have found the information in the Pay Pal that it was a spektoskop and a diamond weight. we have ikkef indulgent in seizures, but I have seen whatever it is, and has found on the internet. This is a spektoskop to determine light in diamonds, diamond weight, diamond weight is a measure. The 14th and 15 May as he calls Diamond Institute in the U.S., and have a transaction of 20 USD, which we do not know what is. He is purchasing several items that can be related to diamonds, after the journey. The 21 May will switch him in, he is selling dollars, and get into their accounts a little over 30,000 million.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
While Sæther says Breivik on purchases made ​​by Liberia-journey, several procurement relating to diamonds, leaning against the accused defends Vibeke Hein Bæra and chatting with her.

14:06:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- We have a good idea to secure a debate forum FrPU from their side, in part. We have found 231 posts that are related to Breivik. But we have only managed to secure over 200 of these. This post is a week after he had contacted the (...) and got over a little over 30,000 dollars on his account. This may help to shed light on his political activity and opinions at the time. It shows how he worded himself and which topic he takes up. Dated 23 May: [reading from the message board]. If you think back to three weeks tidliere, there has been a etabnlieringsmøte of Knights Templar. One of the reasons for establishing the Kosovo conflict. Three weeks after he came home from that meeting, he suggests a humanistic platform. The next day he buys a subscription to a journal for rough diamonds from South Africa. The same day, 27 and 28 May he calls City Bank in the U.S. and the UK. [Indicates that a phone call to a person in Monrovia, Liberia.] The way Liberian police had found out this was that the number was still in use in Liberia, who had received it from another person. He said the person he had gotten the number from now lived in the U.S.. [Engh: - Yesterday, the defendant told the friend that he had contributed 10,000 dollars to the possible purchase of diamonds in Liberia. Do you know the date of the transfer?] Yes, I get to that shortly.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
24 May 2002 buy Breivik a price list of rough diamonds. He calls that a man named Alpha Kallon, who AP wrote about yesterday. Breivik's best friend testified yesterday that people Breivik met in Liberia nagged at him for doing business, but that Breivik had not received any diamonds when he was there. Over the next two weeks he was transferring around 40,000 kroner to Kallon. In his keynote speech suggested that the District Attorney Holden Breivik may have been fooled by so-called Nigerian scammers. Breivik denies this though, and says that the diamond scheme was only a smoke screen to fool friends.

14:10:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- For the 31 May is a transfer from Citibank in New York at 500 dollars - nearly 4,000 dollars - to Liberia. A little over a week after he transferred to Liberia, he has a new post on the discussion forum, where he discusses capitalism with a forum debater. I will start in the middle of the post: "Otherwise, I respond that the Socialists condemn capitalists. I am an entrepreneur and the capitalist who works rævva of me and put my resources into the one project. There is a risk I take, and I run the risk of bankruptcy and nervous breakdown ... " - "Now it's also true that I want to work hard and sacrifice taxation, security, etc., to be rich and live the rest of your life without financial worries . The risk I take, but I do not accept that people who see me in my possible future Ferrari will call me cynical, people who probably indirectly stolen from the poor [...] "This must also be seen in the context of his plan A as is to serve 30 million to start an NGO. Five days later then comes the second transaction to Alpha Kallon at $ 4,400. And when we come to it with NN and 10,000 respectively. Two days earlier, is it 10,000 from the NN to Breivik, who then go on to the same person in Liberia. The same day there are two phone calls to Alpha Kallon. Then there are the 19 and 21.6 calls for a travel company in Liberia. It can help to support the accused himself has said that he will be traveling to Liberia. The last post I should have with a Breivik has written himself.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG:
In a post on Fpus old web forum, Breivik writes that nationalism is a disease in Europe. This takes place three months after he had been in Liberia, where he allegedly convinced militant nationalist. - It seems we are weird, Sæther says. Police Superintendent Vidar Saether said that the police are still looking for Alpha Kallon, who, according to Liberian police may stay in the United States. - We have an expired passport that belonged to him, and make steps to find him, Sæther says. If the police get hold of him, they can identify Breivik's movements in Liberia. It will be able to confirm or deny the story about the meeting with the Serb.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Sæther says they have identified the Alpha Kallon, who transferred the money to Breivik. They did this by Liberian police identified the number Breivik called and came in contact with a family member of Kallon. 18. May this year we were told by police that they have not received a response from the letters rogatory to Liberia, so when they found the answer to this is unclear. Police have not questioned Kallon.

14:16:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- [Sæther reading from the manifesto, which Breivik writes about the comparison of Europe and the United States, and that has meant that Europe is weaker and more inconsistent than the United States. He thinks we have much to learn from the Americans, and that poor countries hate and resent the United States, particularly countries with many Muslims. It says that everyone knows that the U.S. is not trying to hide their motives, and that rational selfishness leads to development.] There are several things here that we notice, the first is that Europe has a serious illness, as he mentions nationalism. We are not quite in context, but that's what he stands for. This is when a little over two months after ordineringsmøtet in London. Then it is our view basis to inquire about when the war Serbia was important from Breivik, if it actually happened after ordineringsmøtet. - I look contradictory at first what he says about the Kosovo conflict and in his ideology today. At the same time we are not in the course of the 101 posts we have ensured that he has mentioned Kosovo conflict or crisis in the Balkans again. 28. June will call him, and the last thing we see in connection with Liberia is that he calls a Travel servce. I have been in contact with the Liberian police to find who has detet number, and he has got this issue of the Alpha-in-law Kalon, who says he ahr got this from Alpha Kallon. [Arntzen: - But what Alpha Kallon doing, is not known] We have a copy of a passport from him. It is perhaps a little vague and not so easy to see on the screen, but if we look at all the transactions that we see in the context of the journey, both what he has paid, how much contact he has with him, withdrawals in the Ivory Coast and how much he use of related articles that can relateresl of diamante, we get a sum of 114,000 crowns.

14:20:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- If we make the purchase he made ​​in advance of travel, the total around 84,000 kroner in the context of Liberia and the United Kingdom. 10,000 of these is when his friend's money. It is then assumed that he used on the trip the euro and the dollar he bought. To give these numbers some meaning, we have looked at his available funds. Prior to the journey he had around 100,000 kroner. After the journey, when he just under 30,000 crowns. He received two salaries in the meantime. This gives some insight into what proportion of money spent on the trip to Liberia in relation to his disponsible funds. Then we are the past, and that is what he says in connection with the journey to the Baltic. He has worked with graduate service in just over a year and still has offices in FrPU. Breivik have described the Baltic meeting can not be compared with the London meeting, because it was an open meeting with the right wing. Back to the manifesto and what he says about the content of the meetings. [Reading from the manifesto on which countries meet the participants came from.] If we take seriously what he writes, the organization must have had representatives in 15 countries. He writes some detail about what this meeting contained. [Reads the encouragement to spread propaganda and was informed of KT.]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Sæther While talking about what they have found out about the alleged ordineringsmøtet the Knight Templars, note Breivik much. He has mainly written extensively on the paper he had in front throughout the day. He has asked to comment again, the previous testimony. It is possible that he has any comments on this too.

14:25:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- There are a few things here that we see that among other things, was up to them how they should perform resistance. But they were not asked to represent the organization. I think this is a bit odd in that this is a secret meeting and a secret organization that has existed for nine to ten years. Knights Templar was the theme of the meeting and terrorist acts in which they discuss the frequency of terrorist acts. Here, too, has he described the types of people who were at the meeting. [He refers from Breivik manifesto about these people. The fact that people were successful weeks and in no way was flagged by some authorities] He was [the manifesto] impressed with his organization and the manner of selecting members. So is that what we find on trips. We can find them in his passport. - We find two trips in his passport. And we must remember mast Lithuania and Estonia are the two trips we have seen, he has traveled to. They joined the EU in 2004, but Schengen in '07. Where we have information about who he bought the journeys. At Kilroy, we have found the tickets. We see that he lands in the 2:30 p.m. in Lithuania. Via account information so it is also found a reservation at a hotel. This hotel is 100 meters from the bank, which we shall return. For we see that he is out of the country again one day later, looked like the gross-time, so is he in the country in 25 hours. Based on the survey done by the economy, so is it found back to his establishment of an account in a Lithuanian bank. At the same time he solved a check on some Nover $ 20,000.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
Breivik smile enough away when Saether begins with summary points that kills Breivik explanations. They believe in part that defendants had clear economic motives for traveling to the Baltics. He created accounts there, which he later used for money laundering.

Comment from Dennis VG Ravndal:
Breivik said that he attended two meetings of the Baltic States to meet others in the Knights Templar. Police have only found evidence that he was in Lithuania for 25 hours, where he created an account that was used to launder money from the certificate sales. - We are therefore not consistent between the Breivik said the bombing of Serbia and what he writes on the Internet during this period. We also believe that it is strange that he paid over 40,000 dollars on a diamond sale that would be a cover, while this is 10,000 dollars from best friend. Our conclusion is that the Knights Templar is not in the sense Breivik describes, Sæther says.

14:29:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- [Engh: - Has this account been in use for more than that? [Yes, it has subsequently been used. [Engh: - What has become of this money?] Do you ask almost anyone else. [Mette Yvonne Larsen points out that there is bad air, and ask for pause. Arntzen agree, but let Sæther finish the presentation first. ] He travels alone with Kilroy Travels, pay cash and arrival of Finnair's Tallinn at 20:30 on the evening of 28 april. We have no hotel stay for Estonia trip, but we see him depart the next day, at 15.20. He is where nineteen hours. The same here, we find that he created two accounts, one for dollars and one for the Estonian currency and he has with him two checks for $ 20,000 each, which he put into an account. . - Both accounts have been in use for it. There were only three checks that they have found in their study, the rest of the cash flow has gone online. So to recap, we find no correlation between the conflict's impact, his political activity and what he writes on the forum, especially after the journey. That this should be the straw that cup to overflow, that we do not find that the complies with whom he was in 2002. In terms of who he is as we see that if there should have been carried out a screening, we believe that his political activity would not be to his advantage.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika:
The court pauses for 15 minutes until 14.45.

14:33:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- And so journeys: The question is how much to do to build a cover, even when your best friend spits into 10,000 dollars in the project. Our conclusion is that journeys are financially motivated, with the purpose of making money diamaner. So the Baltics, we think he has a very different motive for going there, namely, to launder approximately half a million crowns. This is the first three accounts, he creates in Europe. This supports our view, that we find no evidence that the Knights Templar do not exist in the form Breivik said. We believe he has other motives for traveling. [Judge Arntzen: - We are now taking a break of fifteen minutes, we'll open for questions.] [The prosecutor Holden: - We have two witnesses again, of course we can put one of them. If we do not, I believe that we must expect 5:00 to 5:30 today.] [Judge Arntzen: - I have to hear the other members of the court. It is not so simple if we keep on until 5:00 to 5:30 each day. Who would then have to defer?] [The prosecutor Holden: - That I could have a reasonable idea after the break. [The prosecutor Arntzen: - Good. Then it's break for each of three.]

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
The defenders should now ask questions to Sæther. Lippestad will confirm that Breivik has actually been in Liberia, London and the baltic states at the times he has explained. It confirms Sæther. The police parties, however, does not trust that Breivik was in London to attend the inaugural meeting of the Knights Templar, and Lippestad will have clarified what the police think about Breiiks explanation of cover stories. Breivik claims he used the story of blood diamonds in Liberia as a cover-up. There are many empty seats in the hall 250 in the day, and the clear majority of audiences are journalists and photographers. Also in the press corps, there are fewer attending today than before the trial.

14:58:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- [Holden prosecutor tells the court that the statement of the theme to the economy caused by an appropriate time, but that there is no more] [Judge Arntzen: - When we open for questions to the witness] [Bejer Engh has no issues now] [Defense Lippestad: - As you probably know, is this question of sitftelsemøtet has taken place of importance.] Lippestad summarizes the investigation has shown that Breivik was in London at some point. He was in Liberia where he says he has been there and get confirmation from the witness Sæther. [Defense Lippestad: - So when any question, I understand that you doubt that he has been in London to take part in the founding of the Knights Templar, you think he has been there to engage in economy and trade of diamonds . When it comes to this with cover stories have you put yourself in the manifesto in which he writes about it and what he thinks about it?] I have not put so much into it and just put me into the Knights Templar. I have recounted it, but can not say exactly what's there now. [Defense Lippestad: - He writes a lot about how he appears to hide it]

14:59:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- Not if it's a completely different section than the Knights Templar, I have not done so. [Lippestad: - Are you familiar with some of the cover stories that he has de facto made, such as why he would rent this house? Yes, it was essential that he could carry, so I understood. Therefore, he said it to their friends. [Lippestad: - You presented your documents the purchase of rough diamonds. How have you considered this receipt? Why would he buy diamonds in Norway before this trip to Liberia?] - Our opinion is also supported by like NN explained yesterday that he bought a diamond to have knowledge and have the opportunity to evaluate diamonds. [Lippestad: - How do you rate it as a logical thing to do? If the purpose is to buy rough diamonds, so it may be wise to familiarize themselves with how rough diamonds looks and quality. [Lippestad: - But it was just blood diamond he was going to buy?] Blood Diamond is just an expression. That's the word, for, as I understand it, how it is obtained and not a term for a type of diamond. [Lippestad: - I understand, but I can not see anywhere that it was said he was going to buy rough diamonds in Liberia. ] However, in retrospect, he buys a [...] for rough diamonds. - [Lippestad: - What he explains is that he that is over ten years ago at a secret location with people who do not disclose their real names, three of them plus himself, meet to establish what he calls an organization. Has English or Norwegian intelligence opportunity to find out if it happened, that four persons taken place homely and with a secret name to discuss the establishment of an organization ten years ago?] It is difficult, as I said, we have little information about the which took place in London. But we believe that the whole premise of Liberia trip, that he should have been an ambassador for the Serb, is difficult for us to understand. [Lippestad: - I just try to see what this documentation you have submitted documents, and if intelligence is the case in Norway or England, that you can go ten years back and say that such a meeting has not taken place, then I think that we live in a world where monitoring has come a long way, so I ask you whether it is possible to figure it out. ] We can not rule out that he has done, that he has met a person in Liberia is possible also that he has met people who think the same as him in London. But what we have seen is whether this could have been planned in advance.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Lippestad hardtfor argues that monitoring has come a long way if the police can rule out that there was no foundation meeting in London only because they can not document it in retrospect. - Is it possible to find out? He will know the meeting. Sæther admits that they can not rule out that the meeting took place, but maintains that they do not believe in Breivik's story of the founding meeting. Police believe Breivik primarily had economic motives for the trip to Liberia and then London. Lippestad will also know why police have not spoken with Alpha Kallon, who Breivik has sent two money transfers to and had phone conversations. Sæther admits again that the police would like to have talked with him, but that other explanations, including from Breivik former best friend, and another investigation clarifies that Breivik's motive for the trip to Liberia was the establishment of the Knights Templar. - But we would obviously like to talk with him, he said.

15:06:


The witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- [Defense Lippestad: - Have you considered whether he might have had two motives for traveling to Liberia and London, both politically and economically?] The course we have considered, but our view is that he is his motive was to make money, based on the preparation he did. How secure you want to be sure he had two motives for Liberia-trip, it's up to the court to make an overall assessment of the overall picture. [Breivik smiles.] [Defense Lippestad: - Yes, there will of course right to decide. I just wanted to find out more about the investigation. In London there was one called Richard who was in the same place and time. Do you know which hotel he stayed at?] St. George Hotel. [Defense Lippestad: - How are you, or the police, investigating whether a person named Richard has lived on St. George Hotel?] It was a coincidence. We do not want him to have something to do with this. [Defense Lippestad: - But we are agreed that there was a person there named Richard, who had contact with Breivik in advance, and who lived at the St. George hotel while Breivik] Yes. [Judge Arntzen: - What nationality is he he?] Norwegian.

Comments from VG's Eve Therese Grøttum:
Lippestad ask a question about e-mail accounts to Breivik, adding that the premise that only 10 of the 31 accounts of Breivik has been identified by police as Breivik and defense team said earlier in the trial. - Defendant, I do not think you should take for granted the premise of the question right, interrupts the prosecutor Svein Holden. He asks Lippestad to be more open to question its position, and receives support from the district court judge Arntzen. - Yes, do not ask questions of the premises which is so uncertain, she said. Lippestad promise to abide by this.

15:10:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- [Defense Lippestad: - We have documentation on this, but it has now been confirmed. He Kallon Alpha, what is done to interrogate him, for he may be able to shed light on the outlet] We have sent a request directly to Liberia. It is not the easiest country to get answers from, but we have gone through the phone numbers and sent a request to identify the person who received the money that should have had an account the money was sent. And when we got to know that answer last week when we have both the transactions and have a phone number that is indirectly related to him. We came to svigerboren that said Kallon in the United States. Then I try to get him. [Defense Lippestad: - Is there a usikkerhetsmonent that you have not questioned him?] Judging from the other information that is presented as it is in relation to what we believe is subject to Breivik, so of course we want to talk to him. But after NNS explanation and procurement and the things that are done prior and after, we believe that it was the diamond trade. But for the matter part we would like to speak with him.

Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- [Lippestad: - When was the Letter of Request sent?] I think it went out in December last year. [Lippestad: - This is the investigation to try to determine whether there may be additional. Are you aware that there was a relay in March 2011, where a person warned against a Manifesto which was written and an action against AUF-ers?] Yes. [Lippestad: - Are you familiar with the investigation about to reveal who has been called in?] I have no knowledge of it, the investigation is not related to the Knights Templar, so I'm not the right person to answer that question. [Lippestad: - But in terms of Knights Templar and possible contacts. How many email accounts you have and your looked upon with a view to identify any contacts?] - This is the second part of the investigation, when I talk about the presentation of Alf Claus. [But it must have been contact between you, I guess. But who Breivik has had contact with the e-mail?] It has been my task. [But are you aware that there are only ten of 30 e-mail accounts are ananlysert] [Lippestad, Holden and Arntzen discussing whether this is the witness to give evidence about the e-mail addresses. Arntzen believes Lippestad should formulate the question more open.] [Lippestad: - This has been a center for your investigative research?] I have not had any responsibility there, but if someone had found something interesting there, I had probably learned of it . [Lippestad: - When I have a few questions, you pulled out some things that Breivik had written when he was in FpU.]

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Lippestad have no more questions, but warns that Breivik has comments. First, aid lawyers word. Also coordinating counsel Mette Yvonne Larsen raises questions about the Knights Templar. She wonders how it is possible for the police to conclude that the network does not exist if it is true that there are in encellestrukturer where the individual cells do not know about each other. - We have no evidence that the Knights Templar exist so Breivik explains it, maintains Sæther. - Have you found evidence that there is not then? asks Larsen. - It is a bit like Santa Claus (tidl.politivitne, journalist. Note) said: How can we disprove if things do not exist?

15:21:


Witness Vidar Saether, Police Superintendent NCIS:
- Yes. [Defense Lippestad: - So, how would you rate the current government in Norway? We have a government in Norway, we have a partnership government with the Socialist Left Party and the Labor Party, which supports NATO. Is there anything in today's collaborative government is amiss there?] No, I will not embark me in such an assessment. I point out that the Christian Democratic Party Vollebaek, his three weeks after the coordination meeting of the revolutionary organization, which is apparently going to use violence, proposes to the Board of FPU to cooperate with the parties three weeks earlier, he does not have (...). [Defense Lippestad: - Do you know which party Breivik refers to in his enemy? It is just Labor, he has been working against. [Defense Lippestad: - When I I do not any more questions. Breivik have any comments.] [Referee: - It will take us next.] [Lawyer Larsen: - We have received the so-called KT report. Your conclusion before the break was that the KT network does not exist in the form Breivik explained. How did he explain this?] Both. Both manifest and questioning. [Larsen: - But the manifesto described unicellular who do not know about each other. Is it possible to you to conclude that the single cell that does not know about each other no?] Our conclusion is that the start was not as Breivik. In relation to the way he has explained journeys and establishment meeting is the only thing we can verify a evidence. We do not believe the motives for these trips. [Larsen: - It is about a choice the police then? Is it true that if there exists a KT-network consisting of cells as described in the manifesto, the police may say something about it?] We can not say that it is these cells. It was a bit like Santa Claus said, How can we disprove if things do not exist? The rest of the investigation has gone to the classical investigations where we've been looking for helpers to Breivik. [Larsen: - Have you considered a magnificent representation of the analysis?] Not really. WE have taken into account that the explanation has changed along the way. But when he says that he explains himself pompously he speaks about the adjectives he uses. [Larsen: - All right, thank you.]

15:26:


Witness Vidar Saether, police superintendent NCIS:
- [prosecutor Bejer Engh: - It has been very much back and forth about Breivik has changed explanation and especially around the Knights Templar. You have gone through interviews with Breivik terms of Knights Templar in court and in interviews. In the case of Breivik's explanation that he met a Serb in Liberia and sent to London as envoy to him, and that he there for a ordineringsmøte got a mandate, and then start writing the compendium which he was assigned to do. Furthermore, he was on the Baltic at camp. Has he ever changed in this core?] No. [The prosecutor Holden: - My question with this "Rickard", which was taken up by the defense and it was mentioned that he was in London in May, and stayed at the hotel in London, so could have thought me more questions if he knows what's wife "Rickard" has told the London-trip] [Judge Arntzen: - As long as we do not mention the name] [Counsel for the prosecution Holden: - There will be some of you suddenly realize I] [The prosecutor says this to the witness] I do not remember. I would point out one thing in relation to the randomness of this, "Rickard" was in London at the same time. 1. May is a holiday and as I see it - a long weekend and it is not unnatural to go away then. [The prosecutor Holden: - We can come back to someone who can give an answer about this couple were apart] [Judge Lyng: - You say it was a long weekend] I wondered also randomness that it was there once, but 1 May is a day off and it goes there a way to check the back room if it was a long weekend or not. [Judge Arntzen have any questions about a phone call Breivik made ​​with a diamond store in London] We have been in contact with these businesses through British police and they have no business relationship with Breivik, and the other was that they always were called by people who would sell diamonds from Africa. - When it came to this to consider me as a worthy candidate, then I noticed that the police and testified very toned down what were the conditions that I would be considered at all. The main reason was that I had no criminal record and that I had not had any contact with extremist organizations. As it was mentioned that I once drove drunk on a snowmobile. It is not considered a traffic offense even .. Ok, it's perhaps a little more than a traffic offense, but when I talk about the criminal record, so I talk about more serious things than that. So it was mainly that I had not been flagged, and that I had not belonged to any extremist organizations that did it.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
District Court Judge Arntzen want to know if the two telephone conversations between Breivik and a diamond trader in London is checked out. She learns that there was no business relationship between them and Breivik, and that it was not uncommon atble contacted by people who would sell them African diamonds.

15:27:


Behring Anders Breivik:
- When it came to this equipment, and the rough diamonds, it was to support the cover, it really confirms what I have said all along. I spent 1-2 weeks making this cover, and in comparison I spent about a month to create the cover related to Geofarm. Thus, it was a cover. Yes, when it came to the Progress Party's views on the Kosovo conflict, it was actually the party split in the case, even if it went in one retningenss favor, the party was on the far right in Norway, so regardless of what they should think about that it was there really is no alternative. Those who have followed in the political debate knows that both Kleppe and Simonsen, no Hedstrom was put out. And Simonsen was placed in one or another committee. If there are any members who identify themselves as strong attitudes towards immigration, if there is someone who will make careers in the party, they are very reluctant to speak about this at all, I was very aware of the that time. I had run two races for a while, I wanted to see how far I come to the City Council list. - [Judge Arntzen: - Breivik, what have you explained to us before.] When it came to 10,000 from NN. He dealt only with what I told him, and he does not relate to why I was going to Liberia. As a witness even mentioned, not meeting the Baltic compared to the London meeting. The internal network I am referring to are the three people I met in London. Richard as it was referred to the place does not have anything to do, so I hope not the prosecution call him as a witness. Why the police should not have to investigate the contacts 8100. Police have adopted a stance where they do not believe that I have had contact with others. For me it is Everything in the manifest is true, and it will be proved within a year and three months, then will there be another attack. [Judge Arntzen: - These documents also contained quotes were read. You are welcome to submit what you read out, for the sake of completeness, in relation to the Knights Templar.]

15:31:

Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- [New Witness, Anette Seip from the NCIS, takes the witness stand] [Judge Arntzen: - There are delays for your explanation, and I apologize.] [Witness oath.] We have had focus on items that were in use 22 July or related to planning the 22 July. It is a work with many details and many investigators have been involved. I just want to that we have not considered the legality of the possession of certain things. - There I will go through, it is divided into four main parts. That's when the first mandate we have been working under. So I show four main findings. Then, working methods, how we've been working and I can maybe go quickly through. And then finally a group summary, the groups uniform, equipment, weapons - ammunition and bomb. When it comes to mandate that we have Joe as the rest of the investigation focused on whether there can be no helpers. Is there anyone else who may have procured these things, or is the accused who bought it?

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Breivik had several comments to explain the Knights Templar. He stuck to his earlier testimony that he was elected into the network because he had no criminal record and had not expressed extremist attitudes. Police believe he would be a natural candidate if the network actually existed. He also stressed again that bloddiamantene was a cover story that he spent 1-2 weeks in the making, and that he is not necessarily wrong when it came to the Progress Party's views on the conflict in Kosovo. Police believe Breivik's post on the forum FpUs debate shows that he was concerned about completely different things than terrorist attacks and the Kosovo crisis in 2002. Breivik said the party was divided on the question, and begins to talk about how Jan Simonsen and Vidar Kleppe was purged from the party because of innvandringsfiendlighet. Breivik alleges that he stayed away from such attitudes because he would try to make a career. He is then interrupted by Arntzen, who said the court already knew this. Anette Seip explains itself now Breivik procurement.

15:32:


Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- We have also had a focus on trying to continue a fixed date when the defendant went from thought to action. We believe that by looking at specific acquisitions it may say something about this time. Furthermore, we have been involved in efforts to identify Breivik's life. It can provide answers to questions such as why a phone call has taken place. I will show four main findings that we believe the investigation has concluded. The first is that we have identified 112 purchases from 90 vendors in 10 countries. This is 112 purchase that we relate to 22 July. Each of these purchases often contain multiple objects, so the number of objects is far more than 112 We found no relevant purchase before the fall of 2009. [Holden asks questions about his gun.] We know that the rifle was purchased in connection with the fact that he was hunting with friends, more people were looking at the same time.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
More listeners and journalists left the hall before the last witness. District Court Judge Wenche Arntzen expressed concern that the Seip folder of information was very thick, and that she therefore probably not raised at the court within 16 It would also have been a witness today, which is subject of time considerations. police have found that Breivik mostly used his own name, own account and his own address when he ordered items he used to build the bomb, and weapon parts.

15:37:

Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- We will go into the various steps in a procurement process afterwards, but the defendant may be linked to all of these purchases. It is not identified other individuals with an active role in forboindlse with sise purchases. By this we mean that people who have received packages on behalf of Breivik, such as his mother. When it comes to how these purchases are made, we have made ​​some of the main. There is extensive use of the defendant's own name or in combination with the company name. We see the use of separate account, which is either a bank account or a payment service on the internet called Pay Pal. We shall show made ​​the division of payment later. We see that there is active trading online. We also see that there are some scattered buying from many retailers, of different type of character: everything from private individuals on finn.no to larger stores. Where we have information about the delivery of goods, delivery address home address of the defendant. It was delivered either by courier or by postikontor. I thought I'd show what we have seen in relation to time. We see a timeline from May 2009, the establishment of Geofarm, and it ends in July 2011. The lines illustrate the first and last purchase in each group, and does not indicate the number of purchases.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
The police have divided the purchases between uniforms, equipment, weapons / ammunition and bomb ingredients. All were obtained from 2009 until the attack. Breivik also purchased a shotgun in 2003 that was in the car when he was on Utøya. The police believe that he actually bought because he was hunting with friends, not as a preparation for terror. Breivik spent several online stores to order goods. He used mostly the international network giant e-Bay, but also the purchase over the phone and Norwegian FINN.no. He paid for mostly with paypal account or credit transfer. A few times he paid in cash, by card or through Western Union.

15:41:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- Then we have the group with uniform stretching from September 2009 to May 2010. The group with equipment ranging from April 2010 to March 2011. Gurppen weapons amminusjon and weapons parts from May 2010 to June 2011. Furthermore, we have the group that we have already taken, and it's bomb. It is from September 2010 to July 2011. As you can see I have not set up the purchase of the shotgun, which happened in 2003, when this is the procurement that is not related to the action. I have set up a chart in relation to booking. It is based on the identified purchases. The first is eBay, where it made ​​42 purchases. On the internet has made ​​18 [The remainder of the e-mail, in store, by telephone and finn.no the chart] If one of the 82 known methods such order is 71 made ​​on the internet. Probably there are more, but we do not have information on all orders. - It's set up a similar list of payment methods. Here is the same system and under here, it says, "pp" is PayPal, the U.S. payment service that is associated closely with eBay. At the same time as we see here that the total of 106 payments, it is 90 that is linked to the account. [Going further through the payment methods used. Paypal is the largest group, with 50 payments.] So I thought I'd describe a bit about how we have worked with procurement. We have divided the procurement of seven steps.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Police have sorted the information about Breivik procurement through seven steps: - investigation - inquiry - booking - payment - reception - use - The seizure of these steps, the police have attempted to identify gaps and ensure that they have all the information. Seip right shows how the police have worked with a power-point presentation. Breivik sit quietly and follow the Seip explanation. He does not react visibly to the evidence she presents. On either side are the defenders Breivik Vibeke Hein Bæra and Geir Lippestad, both of which included Seip carefully.

15:45:


Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- Lots of detail, and to identify missing and conflicting information, we have divided it into here. We have a survey, contacting, booking, payment, receipt, use and seizures. Each of these steps contributes to the information needed to identify objects which in turn enables us to find information about how an object is obtained. There has been a great challenge to figure out. We have worked with it and believe we have good control over this. There has been varied information base. If you go to the store and buy an item in cash, there is a limit to how much information you provide, but do it on the internet, there are lots of tracks. We have both in this case. I'll show an example, the purchase of aluminum powder from Poland, used in the bomb, I jump straight to step two - inquiry. I can say about step one, examination, that we have very little information, data logger, we have not managed to secure a long time ago. Inquiry, however, where we have something. On this particular acquisition we have said that the inquiry took place 17.11.2010. We do this based on a mail [email to show picture]. Next step, ordering 26.11, the same mail from both. Payment, 22/12/10, from Breivik Geofarm, we can see here it is transmitted in excess of 15,000 dollars. Furthermore, receipt of these things, 11/03/11. We have probably a mail. The top sentence is the end of an e-mail to Breivik where it is mentioned a number, the second part is a response from Breivik 10 March, which states that a person from a Swedish forwarder, Schenker, called today. We go into our database and see if we kjnenr the phone number listed and the date. We find the Swedish phone number for Schenker in the database and found two phone calls from numbers that defendant disposal and receiver in Sweden.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Seip undergoes how Breivik ordered a chemical and how it was confirmed ordered a recall ballot. Furthermore, police used GPS tracking to show how it was transported to Vålstua farm, as well as evidence that it was used in the bomb and later seized. Police have not identified all of the purchases of the effects of Breivik's own compositions uniform, but know that they can be purchased online. All uniform effects Breivik was wearing when he was arrested on Utøya, was acquired in March 2010, according to police.

15:51:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- We also have a pick-up note, one of several, dated 11.3 2011 signed that Anders Breivik. It seems we are from Schenker. So the question is: Is that Anders, who has taken this package? We go into the database and retrieves the GPS position. This map shows an excerpt from Oslo and Karlstad here, at 14.50. This GPS is found in the defendant's car. We see the return of two tolls, and ends up in Oslo West. This substantiates that Breivik collected the goods and signed the receipt. When it comes to use. This is a picture from the mixing room at Valstua farm. We see a lot Rema 1000 bags along the wall. The picture is probably taken by the defendant himself. When we get to spring, somewhat later, we seized 12 bags Rema 1000 in the same place. The content here is 32 kg aliminiumspulver. Then we found information about the steps 2-6 on the object aliminiumspulver. In this way we have worked with each purchase. I'm not going to go through this in detail. Then I thought to go through a group summary of the four categories I mentioned earlier. Let's start with the uniform. [The image of Breivik wearing his gala uniform appears on the screen in court.] [Breivik chuckles and drink some water.] 11 purchases from 11 vendors from 5 countries. All purchases related to the defendant through Pay Pal, Ebay and so on. We have a couple of unidentified purchases. The police are also aware that Breivik have uniform effects related to the Masonic Lodge. They are not among the details that are presented here.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Several journalists leave the hall during Seip explanation. There has been enough of a long day in court for many, and the air in room 250 has been poor.

15:56:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- It is also set up a bar chart of when procurement has taken place. First we see a column from September 2009. When it was first purchased a medal on 19 september. Three days after the defendant went up to 3rd degree in the Masonic lodge. It also bought a ring and a necklace a few days after that. We have not found any more purchases until February 2010. In February and March are the registered four purchases, and in May it is a purchase. The uniform effects of his arrest was purchased in March 2010. The next group we have called the equipment. It has been challenging, there have been many articles and they are of unknown nature to us. There are many small things that are put together into one thing. We had to pick it apart to understand that there have been various purchases. There is equipment that defendant was wearing when he was arrested, in addition to equipment in the car on Utvika and Vålstua. There are pieces of armor that defendant said he was trying to make. - Equipment, we have found, purchased from April 2010 to March 2011. It is found 29 sellers from 8 countries. In Norway, there are five purchases from five vendors, and four of them are from the account. In other countries there are 32 purchases from 24 vendors. When it comes to ordering from this group, there is a lot through eBay and the Internet, and there is also much from Finn and telephone. There have been several shipments of address with the courier, but we have also found information on the collection of post office. And fitting, as I said, it is done on both defendants on Utøya on Utvika and Vålstua farm.

Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- When it comes to what period it was made ​​purchases here, I said it was from April 2010 to March 2011. What we see from the bar graph is that most occurred in June 2010. I move on to the group "weapons, weapons parts and ammunition" and this picture does at least nine different parts procurement, aiming bayonet, and so on [show picture of Breivik's rifle]. We also have information that the defendant has been a member of a shooting club and it appears that the activity was in the autumn of 2005-2006.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Mostly Grounded and Odd Ivar Green talks briefly together while Seip explains itself. They both have Macs with car park in front of him.

15:58:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- Further he paid dues again in June 2010. After June 2010 it recorded 16 shooting trainings that Breivik have attended. Then there is the period during which these purchases are made. From May 2010 to June 2011, I comment on the purchase of the shotgun in particular. [Judge Arntzen: - We have seen a face mask episode. Is there something you've gone into?] No, but we can soon find out. [The prosecutor Holden: - Were we talking about 16 or 18 shooting sessions?] 18 total. 16 with pistol and two rifles. When I come to the shotgun in 2003. Then, I secured a mail from a friend of Breivik. [Produces a comment about the shotgun Breivik to buy.] Breivik took a diploma in April 2003.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Seip explains that Breivik bought four guns, 13 guns parts and 5 rounds of ammunition + 1 orders which he bought ammunition with a weapon. Both the weapons and ammunition were bought by Norwegian retailers, while weapons parts were purchased online. Breivik brought more than 1,000 cartridges Utøya.

16:03:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- So, within this group, we identified 22 purchases from 14 vendors in four countries. I will say little about these purchases. We are familiar with the purchase of four guns. All four were purchased from Norwegian retailers and the defendant had weapons permit in his own name. One of the weapons was a rifle that was sold by the defendant in January 2011. In July 2011, we recorded that he had three weapons: a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol. We have registered 13 purchase of weapons parts and they are made ​​on the internet. They are purchased using bank account and Paypal account. In the case of ammunition, we have isolated five related purchase of ammunition and one where it was purchased weapons and ammunition together. They are made ​​by the Norwegian fohandlere. There are two purchases we do not have evidence beyond the testimony with the dealer. On Utøya are also found no ammunition that is similar to that used in rifle training. - I have also set up the famous purchase of weapons and ammunition, and here we see that it extends over one year, from May 2010 to June 2011 . Here we have assumed the timing of when the applications for firearms licenses have been sent, not when the purchase is completed. That is not when guns are purchased, but when preparations began. In July, there is a bought a rifle, it was later sold. In September it bought another rifle, it is the one that was found on Utøya. Furthermore, we have an application to the Glock, it was submitted in January 2011. Otherwise, the main weight of the ammunition purchased in the spring of 2011.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Police found less than 60 ml of nicotine on Vålstua farm, but are not sure where it comes from. Possibly it may be linked to a transaction and a shipment from China in 2010, but this is not documented, according to Seip. Breivik wrote in his manifesto that he considered using the nicotine in the balls he should spend on Utøya, but he did not.

Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- In total it is registered in more than 1500 pieces of ammunition, various types. I've also included some information about what we know about the purchase of nicotine. We have not been verified purchase, we have found in less than 60 milliliters of nicotine on Vålstua, but do not know where it komer from. We have a transaction to China not knuytter to other objects, and a shipment in 2010, which is also related to other acquisitions. But we can not say for sure. So is the last group that I come in on, that's what we have called the bomb. Here we have identified acquisitions in the period 2010 to 2011. 36 sellers from different countries, 14 from other countries, 22 from Norway. It identified 11 purchases of chemicals, which were used to create the bomb. All of these purchases of chemicals, linked to Breivik through payment.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
The production of the bomb, the police have identified 43 purchases from 26 vendors in 5 countries. They also have several unidentified shopping for ingredients that are seized by the Vålstua farm. While Seip explains, scroll Breivik the stack of papers she handed out before she began. He just smiles when she talks about how to obtain many of bomb ingredients.

16:08:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- All tied to him. The rest of the objects in this group are either betandsdeler the bomb parts or production in the broad sense. Here we have recorded 32 purchases. It is common objects, blenders, scales, office supplies. We also have a lot of unidentified purchases. We have no knowledge of how Asperin / Aspirin was obtained. Breivik testified that he bought this at a pharmacy. [Shows a picture of the seizure.] Furthermore, other unidentified purchases. We have some receipts in such a condition that we do not see the date. Here are the purchases from September 2010 to June 2011. It seems that chemicals were obtained in autumn 2010, with the exception of [other materials], which was acquired after the defendant had access to the farm. Otherwise, components and manufacturing equipment spread over this period. In connection with the bomb, I would say little about the farm and vehicles.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Police have found that Breivik had contact with several Swedish municipalities summer of 2010 in search of a farm where he could move into. When this did not work, he applied for a farm on the Internet and signed a lease on Vålstua farm. Police believe he moved onto the farm 4 May 2011. Seip has now finished his statement and it will open for questions. Lippestad begins. After Lippestad get a clarification on an e-mail that was sent on a field event, take Vibeke Hein carry over. Meanwhile, talks Breivik and Lippestad cards together. Also Torgeir Husby and Synne Sørheim discuss low-key.

16:13:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- When it comes to the farm, it is found on the defendant's mailer mail account that shows contacts with Swedish municipalities in 2010. There, he requested opportunity to rent a place to stay. There was nothing as far as we can see, and when it was Vålstua farm. What we know is that in March 2011 the owner put the place out for rent on a website, and a few days later, the defendant that he sought after. Contacts were made ​​and the contract was signed on 6 april. The lease commenced on 1 May and we know that he is physically moved to the farm 4 of May. For vehicles we know Fiat Doblo'en. It's a rental car from Avis, hired the defendant's name. It was found to developers. Then there are the other car Volskwagen Crafter, hired the defendant's name and it contained the bomb in its ministries. It also bought a mini bike that was purchased in March, it is not found, and the explanation of the accused have been in the craft does in its ministries. - That's what I thought to account for. [Holden: - When do I have to say thank you, I have no further questions and with this event with the field it is a key document they do not have access to, but there are indications that the field meeting was held on 22 april. And when it comes to it, the defendant explained that the face mask, it missed him.] [Judge Arntzen: - Was sued for firing exercise?] [Holden - I think I should be careful to say exactly what this is.] There may be one of the 16 that I mentioned, because I have not quite track.

Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- [Lippestad: - Only a very short question, to what you mentioned about the shotgun in 2003, the mail you referred to. Can not you read again what was there?] I took it from the swing, I was not here, I think it is from NNS mail account. [Lippestad: - You mention a name which, you know who it is?] I have the understanding that it is Breivik. I understand this is taken from the NNS mail account to NN. [Vibeke Hein Bæra: - Have you made ​​you some thoughts and consideration about the relevance of these purchases against what we now know that they used to?] Are you thinking about some special items? [Hein Bæra: - I think of the total. We have reviewed 112 gjenstnader. And then down the same street, you have done you some thoughts on what it said on the planning ability and implementation capacity?]

16:15:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- I think I'll be careful not to say anything about the functional or not. It's beyond my expertise. But most are bought on the internet. I have not told the details of what kind of items that are purchased, but within the group equipment, there are many objects that do not lead away (...) Among other things, the armor, which is described in the manifesto, we find once again part of the farm. [Defendant Hein Bæra: - But other things like weapons, this is the thing that is easy to obtain?] I do not know how the defendants have come into contact with the seller. But if you have purchased the right things, to do what he had intended to do, I do not know.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Bæra want to know what the many purchases made ​​Breivik can say about his abilities. The first two experts who assessed Breivik to be unaccountable, vurdete him to have a very low and barely functional istadn to carry out everyday tasks. - I will be careful not to say anything about disability, but much of what is bought is bought on the internet. It is the touch of a button, said Seip. She also points out that much of the equipment they found on Vålstua farmers were not used in the attacks, and that she did not know what that was purchased for. She would not comment this any further. Breivik sent an e-mail at Swedish to several Swedish municipalities, where he said he would write a book about the stock strategies and that he would hire a farm near the woods where it was well insulated. In the email add rhan the inquiry in Swedish, in its own name. It was Judge Arne Lyng who asked to know more about what the communication with the Swedish municipalities went in.

16:22:


Witness Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- [prosecutor Holden: - Judge if allowed, I can refer the interview with the doctor to Breivik, who can shed light on the timing of face mask] [Judge Anrtzen: - The date specified in the experts' explanations, but If Breivik agree it] [Defense Lippestad: - It is right and he has not consented to it] [Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen: - If we go back to the defender Bæra ask you about, this is it with the point that the bomb and chemicals to do. Is there any purchases that someone has noticed. Is it routine purchases of these chemicals?] There are mostly items that are easy accessible. [Seip explains what these are] [Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: - It has been an issue if he did buy some should have discovered] Need a notification? [Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: - Yes] It was the purchase of the cord from normal dealer in Poland. When did the Customs notification. [Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: - Can you briefly say something about what happened to the notification from the customs?] It went on to PST. Further than that I do not know. [Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen - Is it only the purchase of exposures that are in that category] Yes, it is the purchase of 121 million. - [Judge Arntzen: - Have the experts any questions? Some of the members? [Judge Lyng: - You were so far back in touch with someone in Sweden. Do you know the contents of the e-mail?] Where he describes who he is and that he will spend the next two years to write a book about the stock strategies, and asks for help finding a place to stay when in small farms. It says among other things: "Do not be furnished, do not have electricity."

Anette Seip, police superintendent NCIS:
- This is an example of such a mail. Most people we have are answers by e-mail, so we do not know what all has been, but we assume that it is sent, etc., where the answers come in a few days. I can print it if you want to have it as well. [Lay judge Arne Lyng: - This rifle was bought and sold again, you can say anything more about this sale?] It was sold via Finn.no and lay out on the Find in a few months before it was sold to a private person. A bought the rifle and another bought ammunition.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
Breivik, several comments also Seip explanation. He responds that she has emphasized the purchase of uniforms as much as the purchase of weapons, bomb ingredients and equipment. He thinks the uniform is of little importance. He will also stress that the gun he bought in 2003 was purchased to create a "track record" so that it would be easier for him to buy weapons later.

16:24:


Behring Anders Breivik:
- The purchase is made ​​uniform as it was very important. The uniform is absolutely not important, maybe a hundredth of it all. Shotgun that was purchased in 2003 was purchased to create a track record for future weapons purchases. Shotgun that was purchased was not a hunting shotgun, but a police or military shotgun for six cartridges. The purpose was later use, fighting. It's not that my friends bought shotguns simultaneously. Only two of five bought then, the other bought at a later date. Also purchase in 2005 was later weapons purchases. The event was the 22nd Field april 2011 and it was, in other words, only a few days before I would move up to Rena. Usually only once a year, so it was the only opportunity I had to train with Glock. The 5-10 minutes I used the face mask. [Judge Arntzen: - Do you have anything against that Holden read from the interrogation of GP?] It's all right there.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
District Court Judge Arntzen will clarify what happened when Breivik used masks in there with her ​​mother because he would not get sick before a field meeting in Oslo gun club. Breivik believes this was a few days before the event, 22 April, while in the expert report Husby and Sørheim is that there were 13 and 15 April. Sørheim draws on the shoulder when she hears this, and Holden says it should be checked.

16:25:


Prosecutor Svein Holden:
- "The GP said that she spoke with the accused 11 april, and he had asked to antibiotics due to sinus infection. He respept on antibiotics when he had described the symptoms and it seemed like it did. He thought he had been infected by his mother and he thought it was strange because he had a face mask all the time when he went home. " [Mette Yvonne Larsen: - It is important to emphasize that what is in Husby and Sørheim report that there is the 13th While it is april 15 april has been discharged antibiotics]

16:26:


Behring Anders Breivik:
- Can I just comment on that card? I called the doctor, I asked whether it was appropriate to use a face mask if you wanted to avoid getting sick. And when I got the answer that I could use it, but that if it was viral, it was not very effective, but if it were bacteria that could work. So it was that conversation.

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum:
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16:26:


Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen:
- Okay. Then we fedig for today.

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