2012-04-20 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 05: Breivik Testimony: Oslo Bombing and Utoya Massacre

2012-04-20 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 05: Breivik Testimony: Oslo Bombing and Utoya Massacre

Oslo District Court: #: 11-188627 MED-05 | 20 April 2012 | Breivik Report/TV2.NO

10:18 Breivik: - I have mentioned the attacks I have studied previously. Unfortunately, so as to shed light on an issue you have to get attention. Politically motivated violence has been used for thousands of years. Should you reach one must unfortunately be a bloody action to, with great shock effect.
10:49 Lippestad: - When you say you study the weaknesses and strengths of these groups. Can you give us examples?
10:50 Breivik: - weakness of communist political violence groups is that they fear death. They do not believe in an afterlife. It is their major handicap.
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10:53 Breivik: - The primary need was to convey the compendium and so contribute to a witch hunt for cultural conservatives.
10:53 Breivik: - The foundation was to gather as much information as possible to the compendium, and spread it.
10:54 Lippestad: - You have completed a major terrorist act. Can you tell us about how you plan and obtained knowledge without being detected?
10:54 Breivik: - The starting point was to prepare for that it's going to be a solitary phase.
10:54 Lippestad: - Why was it important for you to be lonely?
10:55 Breivik: - Intelligence Organizations in Europe doing the good job that it is impossible to build up a fighting organization today.
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11:07 Breivik: - I had to make the best out of it. But the second I lit the fuse, it was powerful gases to escape. I was afraid it would detonate, and I thought that I could die immediately. But it did not.
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11:20 Breivik: - My interest is to help prevent our culture will be destroyed. It's not about families and not about me but about the future of Norway. But I respect what you represent, but I can not take it upon me.
11:21 Breivik: - Men are feminized, but in the majority of the world works the way that men are taught not to show emotion, as in Japan. These are ideals I share, therefore I show no emotion.
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11:25 Breivik: - You have to look at me as a salesman, selling a message.
11:26 Breivik: - I am a foot soldier, and I look at 22 July as a job. It is to do everything I can to save Norway and Europe.
11:28 Larsen: - How do you see yourself in relation to accountability?
11:28 Breivik: - This case is very simple. I am sane. I was shocked when I read the first report.
11:29 Breivik: - It is difficult to comprehend something so extreme and fundamentalist. It's easy to think that it is madness. But there is a difference between political violence and madness.
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11:36 Breivik: - One thing is to want something. Man is a romantic, until you do a violent act. Many people want to do something, but that's another thing to do it.
11:39 Breivik: - I have great sympathy for. I represent a world that is so different from others that I realize that people do not understand it.
11:42 Breivik: - Had I not been a coward, I had asked the Norwegian military to a duel by the lake. When you stand against a massive force, you have to use asymmetric warfare, and use the element of surprise.
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11:55 Breivik: - Utøya was important because high-rise building did not collapse.
11:56 Breivik: - If the plan had been successful, had all died. Then it would not have been anything left of the AUF, at least not the leaders.
11:56 Breivik: - Those who were on the island accounted for the entire leadership of the AUF. The goal was to execute all.
11:57 Breivik: - I did not think the organization would disappear. But the purpose was to carry out an attack on legitimate targets, provoke a witch hunt and the distribution of the compendium.
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1:02 p.m. Lawyer Frode Elgesem: - What did Anders Breivik Behring made to resolve this conflict you believe you are in, before you took to violence?
1:03 p.m. Breivik: Perhaps I can start my ancestors .... but I have done all that was possible. Both regular engagement through political party, essay writing, debates .. everything possible to do. Absolutely everything.
1:06 p.m. Breivik: - The primary objective was SKUP (Foundation for a critical and investigative press) conference, as Labor's national conference. When there was, was Utøya the best measure.
1:11 p.m. Breivik: - It had been more successful if I could have hit SKUP.
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1:17 p.m. Elgesem: - You have killed 69 people out there without protection. Is that a manly operation?
1:18 p.m. Breivik: - We are fighting with the capabilities we have. Should I have had a duel with the Norwegian army at the lake?
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1:44 p.m. Engh: - Can you tell in your own words what happened on Utøya this afternoon?
1:44 p.m. Breivik: - I would recommend anyone who does not need to hear, not to hear. You want to hear everything?
1:44 p.m. Engh: - I want to hear everything.
3:40 p.m. Breivik: - Okay.
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3:41 p.m. Engh: - You said that to get through the press censorship, it was enough to kill 12 people. Why did you not [stop] then?
3:41 p.m. Breivik: - My goal was not to kill 21 people, but killing 600 people.

2012-04-20: Norway v. Breivik Trial: Day 05: Breivik Testimony

8:55 Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden, Breivik defending team and several of the coordinating aid lawyers are in place in the courtroom.

8:56 The four experts appointed by the court have taken their places in front of the judge's table in the courtroom.

8:58 Anders Breivik Behring are now entering the court.

8:59 The health team on standby in court, to support those who need it. It is expected that Friday's hearing will include strong descriptions.

9:00 Breivik did give the Knights Templar salute.

9:00 The court is set.

9:01 Judge Arntzen makes those present aware that it is allowed to leave the hall outside the breaks.

9:02 Bailee Vibeke Hein bearer: - Anders. It was for many a difficult day yesterday to hear you tell how you planned and carried out 22 July. What are your thoughts on that?

9:02 Bæra: - Do you understand that this is a difficult message for others?

9:03 Breivik: - I understand that it is difficult for others. It is cruel, barbaric acts. I can not even begin to fathom how it feels. I have distanced myself from it, otherwise I could not have carried out the trial or questioning.

9:03 Breivik: - I use a technical language. Otherwise, I think that I had not been able to talk about it.

9:04 Bæra: - You have many questioning said that it was cruel, but necessary. You have also used another expression: "The ULEV injustice." What do you mean by that term?

9:05 Breivik: - This is how we have been kept out of democracy since World War II. Systematic demonization of the press.

9:05 Bæra: - It is pretty strong opinions you have about this, Breivik. It can be difficult for many to understand. That's what you have termed radicalization factors ...

9:06 Breivik: - From the time I was 15 I realized that everything I had learned in school did not compute. I asked myself many questions. Why do we learn anything in school that does not correspond with reality. I was curious about politics.

9:07 Breivik: - I have known many people from minority communities, and they have been my friends. But I witnessed the Norwegian youth were treated differently. I did not understand why the media and politicians tolerate that Muslim youth violates the Norwegian youth.

9:08 Breivik - I learned that the Norwegian and European media protects them, and all who question whether it will be exposed to ridicule.

9:08 Bæra: - Do you perceive yourself as a racist?

9:08 Breivik: - No, I'm an anti-racist. But this is a question of European anti-racism, especially from the media.

9:10 Breivik: - There is a hatred of our ancestors from kulturmarxistene. They've had a lot of power after the war. Not a single journalist in Norway are against multiculturalism.

9:10 Bæra: - Let's be a little specific. You were inside the school system. What are you reacting to the school system?

9:11 Breivik: - It has been decided that nationalism is evil. The curriculum at the school is planned so that it produces individuals who protects this truth. Norwegian school is like an indoctrination camp.

9:13 Breivik: - For example, a sky full of stars of the Little Bear Nilsen, a self-proclaimed Marxist, which will affect Norway politically. He believes there is more power in making songs than to make laws.

9:13 Bæra: - But, Anders. What is it with the curriculum?

9:14 Breivik: - Boys will begin to knit, crochet and knit. Women should begin with carpentry.

9:14 Breivik: - These are communist ideals.

9:15 Bæra: - You said yesterday that before you got your mind on an act of violence, had you tried to reach by peaceful means ...

9:16 Breivik: - Prior to 2002, I had faith in democracy. I thought it was possible to change the policy. But before that, I learned that cultural conservatives and nationalists have no real freedom of speech. Authors were censored on TV and newspapers. No support, they were kept out through the press support.

9:17 Breivik: - Arne Strand of the Times: - He is an intelligent person. He knows that when the pressure support drops, then open it for cultural nationalists and conservatives.

9:17 Breivik: - I have a hundred examples of right-wing writers having been told that they shouldn't bother to send it, for they will not be published. This also applies to publishers.

9:18 Breivik: - You must use dissident publishers. It's the big publishers who own bookstores chains. You can not garden in favor with them.

9:18 Breivik: - You must use a strong self-censorship, so that much of the meaning falls away.

9:18 Bæra: - Is this something you've experienced? How do you know?

9:20 Breivik: - You could say that I will be careful to use specific names, because it will affect them. But I know of hundreds who have given up the major newspapers. I have tried myself. I have contacted both the NRK and TV2 about the inadequate coverage of the Muslim riots in France and Sweden.

9:20 Bæra: - Did you experience that?

9:21 Breivik: - I have experienced it on two occasions, with the riots in Gothenburg and in France. I was told that it was not news worthy. They were terrified to cover the riots because it was right before the election. They were afraid that the FRP would receive increased support before the election.

9:21 Breivik: - It was car fires and everything.

9:21 Bæra: - We have heard about the riots in France and Sweden ...

9:22 Breivik: - I'm talking about the riots in 2009. The large ones in 2005 were covered.

9:22 Breivik: - They covered it thoroughly in 2005, so that the coverage provided improved recruitment on the right side. They took themselves that they had made a mistake. We can not shed light on problems that build up the right side.

9:23 Breivik: - They chose not to write about it at all before the parliamentary elections in 2009.

9:24 Breivik: - The summit of audacity, BBC came up with a report a week after the election. It was old news then. Progress Party had 30 percent support the spring. I thought it would be a change of government. When I began almost to doubt the lethal action I planned.

9:25 Breivik - I wondered if I should cancel the operation, since there might come a cultural conservative party in government. I began to have more faith in democracy. I think "what should I do now? I have invested so much time in it."

9:25 Bæra: - If the Progress Party had won the election in 2009, there had been a consequence?

9:26 Breivik: - If the Norwegian media had not torpedoed the Progress Party before the election, I had not carried out the attack, regardless of what the outcome had been.

9:26 Breivik was a period a member of the Progress Party, Siv Jensen has confirmed earlier.

9:26 Bæra: - What do you democracy?

9:26 Breivik: - Democracy is a democracy. It is a board where the majority controls. The basis for this to work is a free press.

9:27 Breivik: - When you have a situation where everyone supports multiculturalism, it is not democracy. When the conditions there.

9:28 Bæra: - Breivik, I bit back to where we started today. It is difficult to hear. They perceive that you explain very technical at something that affects many.

9:29 Breivik: - Whether to carry out such an action, you have to work on the psyche for many years. One must be trained mentally. For me, technically, emotional language is a tool for me.

9:29 Bæra: - What are some examples of experiences you've had that have made an impression on you emotionally?

9:30 Breivik: - It is an important question is when people say that the person who could carry 22 July-action is a monster. You ask if I have empathy. I was pretty normal until 2006 when I started with meditation. Like all the people I know can attest, is that I'm a sympathetic and caring person.

9:31 Bæra: - What do you mean by dehumanizing?

9:31 Breivik: - To be able to attack someone, you have to justify it to themselves. Norwegian media are running in the same way that they will "destroy Breivik"

9:32 Breivik: - Norwegian Afghan soldiers dehumanizing the enemy to think of those cave dwellers. Otherwise, they had failed to implement it. I've done it the same way to those I consider to be objective. Otherwise I would not have done it.

9:32 Bæra: - It is a strategy you have chosen?

9:33 Breivik: - You have no choice. You can not kill someone if you are not prepared mentally. It takes at least two years of training. However, it is extremely difficult. But there is a choice, yes.

9:33 Bæra: - Do you understand that many are now wondering if you can feel the grief of other things ... Can you name some examples?

9:34 Breivik - I'd feel reasonably normal pattern until 2006 when I started training. My love for my ethnic group is stronger than the love of myself.

9:35 Breivik: - A narcissist has first and foremost love for themselves. A narcissist would never sacrificed anything for anyone. I feel a great love for this country. It is not normal, but that I am. That, I think many nationalists are.

9:35 Judge Arntzen request that Breivik answer questions head-works and do not talk about other things.

9:36 Breivik: - There are many examples. Many witnesses can say that I'm a sympathetic person under many circumstances.

9:36 Breivik tells of a funeral he was in, the brother of a friend. He cried and was sad.

9:36 Bæra: - Are you a social person, Breivik?

9:37 Breivik: - I have isolated myself in recent years. I chose it because I knew what was coming, and to protect those closest to me. But I was very social until 2006.

9:37 Breivik: - When I took the Sabbath, isolated myself completely. When I broke with the friends I had, because I knew what would come.

9:37 Bæra: - Did anyone tried to get in touch with you when you moved into your isolation?

9:38 Breivik - I could not give them any answers. I could not tell whether the suicide attack, so they thought I was a compulsive gambler. They tried largely to socialize me.

9:38 Bæra: - So you hired to go to court? What did your friends?

9:39 Breivik: - More wanted to come up to visit. For obvious reasons I had to prevent it. I came up with excuses. There were a lot of pressure, and they wondered why they could not come up. On some occasions they tried to run up.

9:39 Breivik: - I had to turn off my cell phone. There were no street address there, so they did not find out where the farm was.

9:39 Bæra: - Did you have any agreement on a date they could get?

9:40 Breivik: - There was a lot of pressure at the end. When I talked with one or two friends 21 July, I had postponed it for two months. So when I said "okay, you could come up next week." Then I knew that it would not be realized.

9:40 Bæra: - A term lingers after yesterday. What do you mean by "existential fear"?

9:41 Breivik: - It was a bit wrong to use that word. I ended up in a mode where I acted instinctively. The mode gets involved in special circumstances.

9:41 Geir Lippstadt takes over the questioning.

9:42 Breivik: - The basis of that I lost faith in democracy. I had personally experienced that all peaceful means were useless. I had tried to contact the policy and media. Then it was just a weapon again, violence.

9:43 Lippestad: - Are there any states in the world that has a government that makes you think that there is a pattern of state?

9:43 Breivik: - Norwegian and European media likes to convey that nationalists want a terrorist state. But the truth is that there are few examples in the world today, as we have as a role model. There are Japan and South Korea.

9:44 Breivik: - It took the distance from multiculturalism in the 70s.

9:44 Lippestad: - You have said that some of the reason for what you have done is freedom of speech. How do you think it is there?

9:45 Breivik: - You could say that every country has a state ideology that they are running on, and Japan and South Korea is probably no exception. The Communists have enough here that nationalists in the West.

9:46 Lippestad: - You have a number of theories to build on some knowledge you have gained. You have explained that you have studied 15,000 hours. We heard yesterday how you made the bomb, where there are complex processes. When you decided to make a bomb, how did you go about making such a powerful bomb?

9:47 Breivik - I had some knowledge, but mainly I had to do new research.

9:47 Lippestad: - I assume that there is a recipe for this out on the web?

9:48 Breivik: - The problem is that it is difficult to obtain funds, because they can be flagged. Those who sell the customer must provide their lists. I had to do lots of research online.

9:48 Breivik - I found more than six hundred guides online on how to make explosives.

9:49 Breivik: - I considered the difficulty of them. The ones I chose, it was known that it was difficult to make, but the content was easier to obtain.

9:49 Lippestad: - How long did it take for you to gain enough knowledge to create a powerful bomb?

9:50 Breivik: - Research phase lasted 1-2 months. But it turned out that I could use some of the guides, because they assumed that they had very sophisticated equipment. I had to try different things.

9:50 Lippestad: - Made you feel a little laboratory?

9:51 Breivik: - I have used a number of study hours in chemistry.

9:51 Breivik: - autumn 2010 to spring 2011, I read chemistry.

9:52 Lippestad: - Is there anyone who has made a bomb of the materials you used?

9:53 (tv2.no can not reproduce the details of the chemical contents of the bomb Breivik team.)

9:53 Breivik: - Timothy McVeigh did.

9:53 Lippestad: - This is something you have worked and researched and found out for yourself?

9:54 Breivik: - I had to carry a lot of research on it to get it, yes.

9:54 Lippestad: - How did the idea of ​​buying a standard tool in business?

9:55 Breivik describes the problems he encountered during the process - I had many failed attempts. I was afraid it would detonate.

9:56 Breivik: - I found that I could use mixmastere to crush it. I had to search a lot online, using Google Translate.

9:58 Lippestad: - We now have the impression that it is complicated to create such a bomb and there is no readily available information. Were you thinking about what the bomb would be used for?

9:58 Breivik: - It was all the time as a backdrop.

9:58 Lippestad: - How did you decide that you needed a ton?

9:58 Breivik - I really needed three tons, three bombs.

9:59 Breivik: - I considered truck patch. But then I found out that I could use the largest possible the van with my regular driver's license. I could not put any more weight in the car, therefore, did not bomb more that day.

9:59 Lippestad: - Did you have any knowledge of how much damage it could do?

10:00 Breivik: - I had two reference points: WTC bombing in 1993 and the other was Timothy McVeigh bomb.

10:01 Breivik: - I spent probably incorrect references. It is impossible to calculate unless you have extremely specialized knowledge.

10:02 Lippestad: - All the knowledge about the bomb. Did you get it from somebody else?

10:02 Breivik - I obtained information from someone I know from the KT network. But I was not interested in the type of bomb, so I had to figure it out yourself.

10:02 Lippestad: - You told us yesterday that the bomb that was in the white car was placed direction. What does it mean and how do you calculate it?

10:03 Breivik: - It is possible to increase the explosive power by making a shaped charge, based on the object you want to destroy. The bags are built up in a special way so that the pressure force becomes stronger direction.

10:04 Breivik: - I read maybe 30 guides about this.

10:04 Lippestad: - How did you know about the location of the car? The fact that you were not parked where you intended to park, what impact did it, do you mean?

10:05 Breivik: - The detonation was maybe 30 percent less than it could have been. It was formed because the effect was the opposite, so it went from the building, not against the building.

10:05 Breivik - I had seen how the parking spaces were, and where I had to park the car. I still had to park on the left side.

10:06 Lippestad: - Knowledge of structural art, is there anything you have?

10:06 Breivik: - Absolutely. The whole essence of it is that it must be within ten feet from the building. Therefore, the fences on the U.S. embassies ten feet away from buildings.

10:07 Lippestad: - Do you know when the high-rise building was built?

10:07 Breivik: - Around 1960. It's built to be a government building, so I knew it was solid.

10:07 Lippestad: - Do you have any knowledge of how Sollid it is?

10:08 Breivik - I thought that it could take as much as possible. In that sense it was a bad goal. I assumed therefore that it would collapse.

10:08 Lippestad: - You told us yesterday that you knew who was present political summits. You mentioned several names. How did you know that they should be on the island?

10:09 Breivik: - I checked aufs pages, and there lay the program. I did about 2 weeks before.

10:09 Breivik: - when I went down to the pier, and so on MS Thorbjorn.

10:09 Lippestad: - When you collected information on who was of top politicians on the island, you can say why you did it?

10:10 Breivik: - I wanted to frame Brundtland or Minister. I calculated that the Minister would have two armed guards. Then I would probably be killed. I had gone in with heavy armor and helmet.

10:10 Lippestad: - You did this type of assessment two weeks before?

10:11 Breivik: - Yes. I assumed that the Brundtland would be more than an armed guard.

10:11 Lippestad: - How do you know that you did not have the ammunition to shoot through protection of the police?

10:12 Breivik - I spent several weeks to read up on the internet. But you have to know what you are looking for.

10:13 Breivik: - I thought the weapons and ammunition Delta would use. So I bought a suit of armor that I knew would withstand the bullets. So you choose weapons that are known to penetrate their armor.

10:13 Lippestad: - Was this something you tried out?

10:14 Breivik: - I consider the police and the military as my brothers, and it is important to emphasize that I really wanted to avoid a confrontation with police. It was only meant for emergencies.

10:14 Judge Arntzen: - You did not answer the question. Did you have any testing of it?

10:14 Breivik: - I tested is not armor. But theoretically it should work very well.

10:14 Lippestad: - When it comes to the bomb. Did you have any nuclear tests?

10:15 Breivik: - Yes, it was a test blast 2 km from the farm, in a deserted place. I chose a day when it thundered. So I made a detonation. Then I found out that not everything worked.

10:15 Breivik changed when the process.

10:16 Lippestad: - You said yesterday that you had studied other attacks from terrorists in the world. You talk about a wall of silence, as you come through it. What knowledge are you talking about?

10:17 Breivik: - In principle, one can say that before 11 September did not exist al-Qaeda. It was created by 11 september. Now it is the most successful organization ..

10:18 Lippestad: - When you choose Utøya goal, and government building. What attacks do you have studied and found that if you select these check out your case?

10:18 Breivik: - I have mentioned the attacks I have studied previously. Unfortunately, so as to shed light on an issue you have to get attention. Politically motivated violence has been used for thousands of years. Should you reach one must unfortunately be a bloody action to, with great shock effect.

10:19 Lippestad: - Have you studied al-Qaeda?

10:20 Breivik: - I have thoroughly studied many campaigns, media effects, what they have done wrong and what they have done right.

10:20 Breivik: - There are case studies online. You have to look specifically for it. Some are in Arabic, most in English.

10:21 Breivik tells how the individual words have been translated into Arabic and applied for them.

10:21 The Court has taken break till 10:40.

10:43 The court is set after the break.

10:43 Lippestad: - Can not you keep a little bit where you left off, with what you have studied al-Qaeda's actions?

10:45 Breivik: - al-Qaeda was created after 11 september. They give out regular information in the magazine Inspire, which is relatively easily accessible. Those who make it have now been killed, but I have read it earlier. It was from 2006.

10:46 Breivik: - One of the things I read about was the double attack. That's where I got the idea of police uniform and fedex uniforms.

10:46 Lippestad: - Are there other things you got inspiration from there. You mentioned having a major attack, so an attack number two. Something else you got inspiration from the two attacks, you are charged?

10:46 Breivik: - Use of vehicles and information about it.

10:47 Breivik: - The problem of militant Islamists is that they are concerned about explosives, not shoot-based actions.

10:47 Lippestad: - If you were to estimate how much time you have studied al-Qaeda in the period 2006-2011?

10:49 Breivik: - Many victory and documentaries. If you see enough documentaries learn a lot. So I've spent a lot of popular culture. In the compendium, I have done a case study of many militant organizations. I've studied the weaknesses and strengths.

10:49 Judge Arntzen: - Breivik, your defender asked you if you had an estimate of time spent.

10:49 Breivik: - Hundreds of hours.

10:49 Lippestad: - When you say you study the weaknesses and strengths of these groups. Can you give us examples?

10:50 Breivik: - weakness of communist political violence groups is that they fear death. They do not believe in an afterlife. It is their major handicap.

10:51 Breivik: - We want to create a European version of the al-Qaeda.

10:51 Lippestad: - Is it correct to say that knowledge of the martyrdom you from al-Qaeda?

10:52 Lippestad: - After reading this from 2006-2011. What has been your focus? Has there been a curiosity to learn more or have been a different focus?

10:53 Breivik: - The primary need was to convey the compendium and so contribute to a witch hunt for cultural conservatives.

10:53 Breivik: - The foundation was to gather as much information as possible to the compendium, and spread it.

10:54 Lippestad: - You have completed a major terrorist act. Can you tell us about how you plan and obtained knowledge without being detected?

10:54 Breivik: - The starting point was to prepare for that it's going to be a solitary phase.

10:54 Lippestad: - Why was it important for you to be lonely?

10:55 Breivik: - Intelligence Organizations in Europe doing the good job that it is impossible to build up a fighting organization today.

10:55 Breivik: - If you are three people is 90 percent chance of being caught, one is two, it is 60 percent chance of being caught, and if you are alone, the chance 30

10:55 Lippestad: - We have heard that you have isolated yourself. Why do you feel isolated?

10:56 Breivik: - It was a necessity. Everyone wants a community, but the expertise to PST is so good that one is forced to use a single cell organization.

10:56 Lippestad: - PST and how they work. How do you know?

10:57 Breivik: - They are based on the homogenous Norwegian society. We are an ethnic nation, where people trust each other. This is now gone, and they will lose track.

10:58 Breivik: - I have gone through trials, and learned much through popular culture series. I know that everyone who sells ingredients for bombs must submit lists.

10:58 Breivik: - It was a big risk to buy the fuse.

10:59 Breivik: - I had to make the purchase in December, because it would coincide with New Year's Eve.

10:59 Breivik: - Post Office will be flooded with packets, so there was less control. Hundreds of such modification.

10:59 Lippestad: - Say a little about the camouflage of the IP address ...

11:00 Breivik: - Used a service that made that I was anonymous.

11:00 Breivik: - Had to avoid being flagged, and avoid such nettmoderatoren undertook a screening.

11:01 Lippestad: - Are there other things you did to stay under the radar to PST or others who would be interested in what you were doing?

11:01 Breivik: - But can not express extreme. One must know what is the limit of flagging.

11:02 Lippestad: - How do you know what is a radical concept for that PST or a search engine to catch up?

11:03 Breivik: - When you see posts considering one's intention. I've been open about that I wrote a compendium. By saying that I'm writing a book, I prevented that people thought I had other intentions.

11:03 Breivik: - I think people would react.

11:04 Breivik: - Those who are rabid enough to pose a threat, is too intelligent to expose themselves online.

11:04 Lippestad: - We know that no one could find anything on you that made you discovered.

11:05 Lippestad: - In the days prior to 22 July, while you were doing your preparation. It happened a few things that caused you to change your plans. You testified yesterday that you had plans for three bombs instead of one. What did you think when you found out you only had time to make a bomb?

11:05 Breivik: - There was always problems that meant I had to change plans. It happened time and again. I was about to give up.

11:05 Breivik: - Had to constantly adapt and spent much time on it.

11:06 Lippestad: - 22 July, you parked the car where you had planned. What were you thinking when you saw that there was a car where you intended to park?

11:06 Breivik: - The mode I was in when ... brain traded limited. But I saw that there was a car there. I just had to adapt.

11:07 Breivik: - I had to make the best out of it. But the second I lit the fuse, it was powerful gases to escape. I was afraid it would detonate, and I thought that I could die immediately. But it did not.

11:08 Lippestad: - You testified yesterday that you heard on the news and heard the extent of the damage the bomb did. So you said that if it had done more damage, it may be that you had not gone further. Why did you decide to go to Utøya?

11:08 Breivik: - The starting point was not to kill as many as possible, but to send a clear signal and make sure that the compendium will be distributed.

11:09 Breivik: - If high-rise building had collapsed, I could be dragged down in Greenland and surrender myself. But I listened to P4 that the block had collapsed and only one was confirmed dead. Then I decided to conduct the second action as well.

11:10 Lippestad: - In the period 2006-2011. You moved back home to your mother. What was the tone between you and your mother? For example. did you eat dinner together?

11:10 Breivik: - I have always had a good relationship with my mother, and my family. I had three half-siblings, and my father did not want contact with their children. But I had a stepfather, and he was like a father to me. I also had a stepmother.

11:11 Lippestad: - Was second on a visit to the apartment?

11:11 Breivik: - It has never been any major problems. We ate dinner together. But she was early retirement. I've asked her to take a few hobbies, but she said I was her hobby. We have lived separate lives, and perhaps talked once per day,

11:12 Breivik: - There were sometimes friends of her visit.

11:12 Breivik - I was out with my friends. We have been a bunch of friends from when we were young, and until 2006, when I chose to isolate myself. I worked from 2002, and then it was also less contact.

11:13 Lippestad: - Have you visited stepmother and stepfather during this period?

11:13 Breivik: - my stepfather, I have not spoken to in a long time. He lives in Thailand. But otherwise, I have, I have had contact with everyone. My sister, I talked to once a month. She thought that I have big problems.

11:14 Breivik: - She thought I was a compulsive gambler, and I could not say what I planned. She has not been in Norway for many years, but we had email contact.

11:14 Lippestad: - My last question. You said that when you attach the retainer you. What do you mean by that?

11:15 Breivik: - I have been a regular there since I was 16-17 years, and up to 22-23. From 2002 to 2006, I secured a part, and less from 2006. Maybe a few times a year. Over the last year maybe once a month, maybe a little more often.

11:15 Breivik: - Went the most in Bogstadveien or Solli place.

11:16 Breivik: - Frequently clubs or places that sell food. This was until 2011. The last time was probably about a month before.

11:17 Mette Yvonne Larsen: - Looking around the room, if you look away from journalists, what do you do?

11:17 Breivik: - I see mostly families and victims that I have ruined lives.

11:17 Breivik: - It is probably more than a thousand.

11:17 Larsen: - Do you have any comment what you have done with them?

11:18 Breivik: - I think it is cruel. I can not imagine the suffering I have caused, and I have no ambition to try it once. I had not been able to conduct the trial without having to distance myself.

11:18 Breivik - I had not been able to continue living if I could distance myself. I have not the capacity to take it over me.

11:18 Larsen: - What do you mean the word empathy?

11:19 Breivik: - It is putting into the other's situation.

11:19 Larsen: - Can you do that?

11:19 Breivik: - I can not do it now. Then I will break down, if I take down the mental shields.

11:19 Larsen: - Yesterday we saw other people who broke down and went out. Is it a problem if you break down?

11:20 Breivik: - My interest is to help prevent our culture will be destroyed. It's not about families and not about me but about the future of Norway. But I respect what you represent, but I can not take it upon me.

11:21 Breivik: - Men are feminized, but in the majority of the world works the way that men are taught not to show emotion, as in Japan. These are ideals I share, therefore I show no emotion.

11:21 Larsen: - How should we understand it reasoning against you cried when you saw your movie on the big screen?

11:21 Breivik - I was not prepared for the film. It represents the struggle many Europeans struggle to avoid losing everything they love. What I love is not the same as the one you love.

11:22 Breivik: - To put it plainly, my emotions work differently than others. Mine can be compared to a bonzai soldier during World War II.

11:23 Larsen: - When it comes to bushido-Code. How long did it take you to remove your empathy?

11:23 Breivik: - I have meditated every day since 2006.

11:23 Breivik: - Failed to clear 22 July without it.

11:23 Larsen refers to the last expert declaration.

11:24 Breivik: - Just carry on.

11:25 Larsen: - This term we find here, "shield" mode. In what situation would you be there?

11:25 Breivik: - You have to look at me as a salesman, selling a message.

11:26 Breivik: - I am a foot soldier, and I look at 22 July as a job. It is to do everything I can to save Norway and Europe.

11:26 Larsen: - Do you see a difference between "we" and "I"?

11:27 Breivik: - I have absolutely no vague identity experiences. It is a universal principle from sales that you have to make weight. I use "we" to show that there are many of us who believe this.

11:27 Larsen: - This if you perceive that you can read others' thoughts?

11:27 Breivik: - It is from Asbjornsen and Moe's report.

11:28 Judge Arntzen: - I want you to call the experts at their proper names!

11:28 Breivik: - I am good at reading other people's body language.

11:28 Larsen: - How do you see yourself in relation to accountability?

11:28 Breivik: - This case is very simple. I am sane. I was shocked when I read the first report.

11:29 Breivik: - It is difficult to comprehend something so extreme and fundamentalist. It's easy to think that it is madness. But there is a difference between political violence and madness.

11:29 Larsen: - Why did you choose the government building? Had the security and how you could put the bomb car matter?

11:30 Breivik - I had been following the issue of barriers around the government quarter. There were two ways to get in there, but there was construction, so it was just a way to get into.

11:31 Breivik: - The condition is to have a bomb within the ten 10-meter radius.

11:31 Larsen: - Many of the victims wonder that when you hear on the radio that al-Qaeda was blamed, what were your thoughts?

11:31 Breivik: - It was very natural. Up to 22 July was not militant nationalism in the spotlight.

11:32 Larsen: - But what does it do to you that it is perceived as a completely different terrorism than you relate to?

11:32 Breivik - I thought it probably would happen that someone else would take the blame or credit for it. But at that point I thought about some other things.

11:33 Larsen: - I do not know if you have put yourself into the person you hit in the government quarter. There are people who have a scientific basis for being there. Why did they die?

11:33 Breivik: - I can tell you. There is a big problem for politically motivated violence men to pick out particular targets. For my part, I wanted to hit as few as possible civilians.

11:34 Breivik: - It was perhaps a janitor or cleaner that would be affected. But it would also be lawyers, who work for the government. The best thing would be to get access to a building where it was Labor's parliamentary group, parliament and government, but such a building does not exist.

11:34 Larsen: - Did not you enough attention by the bomb blast. Did you have to go to Utøya?

11:35 Breivik: - It's not about me. What I heard was that a person was confirmed dead, and the building did not collapse. When I saw the action as a failure.

11:35 Breivik: - Had P4 said that 12 or more were dead, I do not know what I had done.

11:35 Larsen: - Is not it your responsibility?

11:36 Breivik: - It is my responsibility. I have never denied it.

11:36 Larsen: - The two-KT cells. Supports you in this campaign?

11:36 Breivik: - That I have no idea.

11:36 Breivik: - One thing is to want something. Man is a romantic, until you do a violent act. Many people want to do something, but that's another thing to do it.

11:37 Breivik: - The one person who knew it could have changed your mind.

11:37 Larsen: - Many people wonder about these people you had contact with ... you could not have gotten help from this network?

11:37 Breivik: - I could certainly have been given. But as I have explained, I chose not to take that chance.

11:37 Larsen: - Have you had contact with the English defense league?

11:38 Breivik: - No. I have posted on a forum where a member wrote.

11:38 Breivik: - But when I wrote there, I was moderate. No one thought I was militant.

11:38 Breivik: - This has nothing to KT to do at all.

11:39 Breivik: - Fjordman .. There are five other writers like him, who has published essays I could use. It was just a coincidence that I used him. We have completely different views.

11:39 Larsen: - It is quite offensive to those we represent that you are talking about that you did it for love of the people. You say you have understanding for it. Why do you do it?

11:39 Breivik: - I have great sympathy for. I represent a world that is so different from others that I realize that people do not understand it.

11:40 Larsen: - You said: When press subsidies are repealed. Is there a danger that it will be canceled because of your actions?

11:41 Breivik: - No. .. I did not expect to survive the operation. The goals that I wanted to get out .. This conflict could be ended if the authorities had not shut out a large group from democracy.

11:41 Larsen: - What do you mean the word coward? I think many would describe the actions that wrong actions ...

11:41 Breivik: - It is not relevant.

11:42 Breivik: - Had I not been a coward, I had asked the Norwegian military to a duel by the lake. When you stand against a massive force, you have to use asymmetric warfare, and use the element of surprise.

11:44 Lawyer Siv Hallgren: - The schedule says that enrollment in the Masonic Lodge in 2006. Used to you by masonic lodge opportunity to education development?

11:44 Breivik: - How do you know? It is reserved for men?

11:44 Hallgren: - To what extent did you a program?

11:44 Breivik: - I was between five and ten meetings. One of them was a lecture.

11:45 Hallgren: - You choose a form of suicide attack. Do you have any thoughts about it and the faith you say you have?

11:45 Breivik: - the Bible speaks of self-defense. I have written extensively about this in the compendium, so you can check the book 3

11:46 Hallgren: - You say you love the Norwegian people and culture. Can you define culture?

11:46 Breivik: - The heart of the Norwegian culture is the Norwegian ethnic group. All that is in Norway from door handles to beer brand to be the way to the code of honor .. everything is culture. Behaviour, speech ..

11:46 Hallgren: - What about what we usually understand the concept culture?

11:47 Breivik: - Literature is part of the culture, but not that important to me.

11:47 Breivik: - I have a few good poems in the compendium, but it is not that interesting.

11:48 Lawyer Frode Elgesem: - What does the coordinates you entered in the manifest?

11:48 Breivik: - What I've said to the police is that it coordinates with a margin of error, I will not say anything more.

11:48 Elgesem: - Have you considered the LO or the trade union as potential targets?

11:49 Breivik: - I have considered both. LO is central to the labor movement, and the leaders keep FRP-people systematically from the management. It is an undemocratic, communist model that is not to understand.

11:50 Elgesem: - If we go back to the story up to 22 July. You mentioned some cases of censorship you had experienced before the general election of 2009. Did you have before you in 2006 found that violence was the only way, did you have when even experienced any censorship?

11:51 Breivik: - For more than a hundred occasions. I had seen others, and was self-censorship. People are intelligent enough to what is acceptable and not.

11:51 Breivik: - I saw others who were censored. I have over a hundred examples.

11:51 Elgesem: - Why did you then in 2009 anyway?

11:51 Breivik: - I would even try, and to hear the rationale. I was curious.

11:53 Breivik: - I asked two questions to Hilde Scientist in an online debate on it was not a problem that no journalists are opposed to multiculturalism.

11:53 Elgesem: - On the first day I noted that you had said that there were offers of peace talks. What is it?

11:54 Elgesem: - One thing I have noticed is that you are talking about journalists as a group, whereas when you're talking about politicians, it is aimed at the Labour Party. Why this difference?

11:54 Breivik: - I mean of course not sports journalists .. But news agencies in Norway has so much power.

11:55 Breivik: - Media ensures that there is no real freedom of speech.

11:55 Elgesem: - You have stated that AUFs summer camp was the main goal that day. You said you wanted to frame the Labour Party's Achilles heel.

11:55 Breivik: - Utøya was important because high-rise building did not collapse.

11:56 Elgesem: - What would the consequences be for the AUF?

11:56 Breivik: - If the plan had been successful, had all died. Then it would not have been anything left of the AUF, at least not the leaders.

11:56 Elgesem: - How could you think that AUF could disappear?

11:56 Breivik: - Those who were on the island accounted for the entire leadership of the AUF. The goal was to execute all.

11:57 Breivik: - I did not think the organization would disappear. But the purpose was to carry out an attack on legitimate targets, provoke a witch hunt and the distribution of the compendium.

11:57 Elgesem: - When did you start putting yourself into AUFs policies and their summer camp?

11:58 Breivik: - I have followed the news and know that they are far to the left, perhaps more than the SV. They are extreme Marxists.

11:58 Elgesem: - What research did you do about who was at summer camp?

11:59 Breivik: - The only names I had were Brundtland and Pedersen.

11:59 Elgesem: - Was it important for you to investigate who was there throughout the two?

11:59 Breivik: - Not beyond what I said now.

11:59 Elgesem: - You have said in retrospect that you found out that 44 of the dead were leaders ...

12:00 Breivik: - I have received information about it. And I knew in advance that over half of those who were there had management positions. It is the most active participants.

12:00 Elgesem: - What did survey around the age of those who were there?

12:00 Breivik: - I tried to check the minimum age, and thought that it was the same as that of other parties.

12:01 The Court has taken break until at 13

13:00 Commander Breivik has returned to the courtroom.

1:02 p.m. Lawyer Frode Elgesem: - What did Anders Breivik Behring made to resolve this conflict you believe you are in, before you took to violence?

1:03 p.m. Breivik: Perhaps I can start my ancestors .... but I have done all that was possible. Both regular engagement through political party, essay writing, debates .. everything possible to do. Absolutely everything.

1:04 p.m. Breivik: - From the time I was 15 years I have seen how society works, and sets abuse. When I lost faith in democracy.

1:05 p.m. Elgesem: - You have divided the traitors into three categories. For A penalty is death, for B is the death penalty, but may be milder. For C, it is fine, because D is no penalty ...

1:06 p.m. Judge Arntzen: Can you try to answer the question?

1:06 p.m. Breivik: - Yes, I have done the assessments.

1:06 p.m. Elgesem: - A passerby or one of AUF-camp for the first time, what category are they?

1:06 p.m. Breivik: - The primary objective was SKUP (Foundation for a critical and investigative press) conference, as Labor's national conference. When there was, was Utøya the best measure.

1:07 p.m. Elgesem: - A church member of AUF Utøya, which category are they?

1:07 p.m. Breivik: - When I reviewed Utøya I considered it as a whole. There will always be innocent people who die. Utøya and AUF was the best policy goal 22 July.

1:08 p.m. Breivik have a screen in front of him in the witness box. There will pop up a map of Utøya when he will explain about the massacre.

1:08 p.m. Elgesem: - If we look at the jacket noticed you had a picture in the compendium. It says that you have "multiculti Traitor hunting permit" for A, B and C. Who gave you permission?

1:08 p.m. Breivik: - This is a so-called moral mark. It is a mandate we have given ourselves, based on human rights.

1:08 p.m. Elgesem: - Is it Behring Anders Breivik, who has given it to themselves?

1:09 p.m. Breivik: - On behalf of the people I represent.

1:09 p.m. Elgesem: - Did you have such a permit?

1:09 p.m. Breivik: - We have given ourselves the mandate.

1:09 p.m. Elgesem: - To hunt the C?

1:09 p.m. Breivik: - Oh, so that's what you requested. To the greatest extent possible, one should concentrate on A and B.

1:09 p.m. Elgesem: - You also had permission to hunt on C? When did you mandate?

1:10 p.m. Breivik: - We do not have a sovereign state in the back, and fight with the funds we have.

1:10 p.m. Elgesem: - At this time it was SKUP Conference and the Labour Party's national convention that was the goal?

1:10 p.m. Breivik: - There was a third goal at the time.

1:10 p.m. Elgesem: - Were you thinking about summer camp that time?

1:10 p.m. Breivik - I've been thinking about summer camp for very long.

1:10 p.m. Elgesem: - Was it important to open to C?

1:11 p.m. Elgesem: - You did not scoop. You did not congress. What did you think when you missed these?

1:11 p.m. Elgesem: - And when it dawned on you that you missed it?

1:11 p.m. Breivik: - It was of less importance. For the plan were three bombs, the government quarter, Labor's head office and the Royal Palace.

1:11 p.m. Elgesem: - Would it have been a better reaction if you hit the coupling or the Labour Party's national convention?

1:11 p.m. Breivik: - It had been more successful if I could have hit SKUP.

1:12 p.m. Elgesem: - When it dawns on you that you are not able to make three car bombs?

1:12 p.m. Breivik: - At the end of June.

1:12 p.m. Elgesem: - Your primary goal was to Utøya Brundtland and the Minister. What did you do to reach them?

1:12 p.m. Breivik: - I worked as hard as I could to the range of dates. It was very important

1:12 p.m. Elgesem: - We have heard that on 21 July is the tired and decide to sleep longer ....

1:13 p.m. Breivik - I was exhausted and needed a few hours of sleep. It is a biological need.

1:13 p.m. Elgesem: - So I gave up Gro Harlem Brundtland?

1:13 p.m. Breivik: - If I had not had problems with the film and the compendium, I had I had time

1:14 p.m. Elgesem: - Why did not you bend over backwards to at least several Gro Harlem Brundtland?

1:14 p.m. Breivik - I needed a minimum of sleep. But I thought that maybe she should stay there longer, and perhaps stay a night

1:14 p.m. Breivik - I knew the likelihood was not that great, but I was looking Brundtland and Pedersen when I was there.

1:15 p.m. Elgesem: - Was it important to you that Utøya was a goal that was easy to get to?

1:15 p.m. Breivik: - Utøya was difficult to reach.

1:15 p.m. Elgesem: - If either the Minister or the Brundtland was there, what protection would be there then?

1:15 p.m. Breivik: - My assumption was that there were armed guards there.

1:16 p.m. Elgesem: - Among the youngsters who died on Utøya, about half under 18 years ...

1:16 p.m. Breivik: - It was less than half.

1:16 p.m. Elgesem: - When you go to countries where an unprotected group of young people ...

1:16 p.m. Breivik: - my assumption was that they were protected. That it was a team of armed guards that protected the goal.

1:17 p.m. Elgesem: - Why did not you armor then?

1:17 p.m. Breivik: - It was a calculated risk. I could not change armor.

1:17 p.m. Elgesem: - You have killed 69 people out there without protection. Is that a manly operation?

1:18 p.m. Breivik: - We are fighting with the capabilities we have. Should I have had a duel with the Norwegian army at the lake?

1:18 p.m. Expert Torgeir Husby: - ​​What was the reason why yours truly and colleague Sørheim should lie in the report?

1:19 p.m. Breivik: - It is a good question. I hope you can answer it?

1:19 p.m. Breivik: - There are five possibilities, but will come back to it on Monday.

1:20 p.m. Expert Terje Tørrissen: - You talk a lot about the percentages. Where are you taking these figures from, how do you feel about that? I think it is important to elucidate this.

1:20 p.m. Breivik: - You wonder premises?

1:21 p.m. Breivik: - I feel that if you want to explain something, it is good to explain it as a way people understand. Using numbers, you can use fewer words, and facilitate communication and make it self-explanatory.

1:21 p.m. Breivik: - I like to use numbers to explain. There are special theme. But in normal everyday language I use it.

1:22 p.m. Tørrissen: - You say that you have read a lot and been through a lot on the Internet, where you can find information. In between there is something about the composition of this information, you're going with a statement of how it hangs together. What evidence do you have for it?

1:23 p.m. Breivik: - I make mistakes like everyone else. When it comes to selecting topics for the compendium, it is a subjective collection of texts. There should be strict.

1:24 p.m. Tørrissen: - How do you take over you the other communicates to you? How do you process that? There has been talk of empathy here before ... It is how you understand other people on empathy and knowledge.

1:26 p.m. Breivik: - It is difficult to explain. Both me and those who were on Utøya ended up in a mode, and it is difficult to put into words. Eskil Pedersen has also said that it is difficult to describe when he fled from the island.

1:26 p.m. Synne Sørheim: - I will return to the meditation you started with in 2006. You started with it then? It worked?

1:27 p.m. Breivik: - Yes .. or, I do not know if it worked. But that was when I started.

1:27 p.m. Sørheim: - You said that it had enabled you to turn off the empathy. What properties changed by you using this meditation?

1:27 p.m. Breivik: - The purpose was to take away the fear. This is done through self-radicalizing meditation.

1:28 p.m. Breivik: - I have taken away the fear, but other emotions.

1:28 p.m. Sørheim: - What other features brands you as a side effect has changed?

1:28 p.m. Breivik: - As long as I maintain the meditation, I feel off emotions.

1:29 p.m. Breivik: - Everything from joy, sorrow, despair, anxiety and fear - all the feelings you have will be less.

1:29 p.m. Sørheim: - When did you notice this?

1:29 p.m. Breivik plays with his pen in his hand.

1:30 p.m. Breivik: - The first year I did not spend so much time on it. But after a few times I noticed that it had a certain effect.

1:30 p.m. Sørheim: - From 2006, the brand you that this worked?

1:30 p.m. Breivik: - Yes, it was effective during the first few times.

1:31 p.m. Lay judge Diana Patricia Fynbos: - You have said that to implement the action did you use technical language? When did you mean?

1:32 p.m. Breivik: - I do not know. Maybe in 2007. From the time I started writing the compendium. After his arrest, I've used it as a defensive strategy.

1:32 p.m. Fynbos: - Tested it out in some way along, and when and how?

1:32 p.m. Breivik: - It is not possible to test it out, because one does not know the situation you want to get in.

1:33 p.m. Judge Lyng: - You have been told about your thoughts about armed guards. What do you base it on?

1:33 p.m. Breivik: - From observations of movies and series, adjusted to Norwegian conditions. It is known that the U.S. is more paranoid than Norway.

1:34 p.m. Heather - I have seen you so that if the building had collapsed as a result of the explosion, had not completed action on Utøya. Had you thought through in advance?

1:34 p.m. Breivik: - I had thought through in advance.

1:34 p.m. Heather: - Did you then also planned what to do if you did not need to travel to Utøya?

1:35 p.m. Breivik: - Yes. The alternative was to run to Greenland police station. But I expected to die at the ministries. I could have done much, but did not expect to survive.

1:35 p.m. Heather: - You explained earlier today that if the media had given the Progress Party a real chance in the 2009 elections, there had not been any action?

1:35 p.m. Breivik: - It was one of the main reasons, yes.

1:36 p.m. Heather: - How would this attitude from the media, by providing FRP a chance, saved European indigenous population?

1:36 p.m. Breivik - I had perhaps struggled more with democratic means. I would have thought that perhaps I was mistaken.

1:36 p.m. Judge Arntzen: - Was it a coincidence that you chose World of Warcraft?

1:36 p.m. Breivik: - Yes.

1:37 p.m. Judge Arntzen: - Is it the same terminology found in WoW that you had in Knigts Templar?

1:37 p.m. Breivik: - It was a coincidence. In WoW, there are hundreds concepts. Whatever notions I had chosen, had they been there.

1:37 p.m. Judge Arntzen: - Which books did you?

1:38 p.m. Breivik: - I chose the highest in the Norwegian and British legal system.

1:38 p.m. Arntzen: - When it comes to isolation, you have explained a little contradictory about this. Are you aware of this? Yesterday you said that you could not have friends who stood up to close after 2006. During that time you had indulgent this year of gameplay, but after this period, how related you are to your friends then?

1:39 p.m. Breivik: - I had contact with friends. There was limited contact from the summer of 2010.

1:39 p.m. Arntzen: - When you say you had to limit contact with close friends. What was the reason?

1:39 p.m. Breivik: - I did not want them to find out what I was doing. I wanted to protect them.

1:40 p.m. Arntzen: - I understand that you are still doing meditation and that is why you are working through this trial. How much time do you spend each day?

1:40 p.m. Breivik: - Yes, that's right. After the arrest I meditate every day.

1:40 p.m. Arntzen: - How do you feel when you meditate?

1:40 p.m. Arntzen: - Do you hear the music when you meditate?

1:41 p.m. Breivik: - On Ila I go in circles in the yard while I meditate. I do not have access to music there. So I remember the songs before.

1:41 p.m. Arntzen: - You changed medication at a certain time, regarding anabolic steroid, it was the same dose?

1:41 p.m. Breivik - I had 10-20 mg more.

1:42 p.m. Arntzen: - Do you know how many Eca stack you had taken?

1:42 p.m. Breivik: - A tablet with Eca stack. I made it myself, and it corresponds to one and a half of what you would otherwise purchase

1:42 p.m. Arntzen: - Did you Eca stack over time?

1:43 p.m. Breivik: - I used it a few times before to habituate the body.

1:43 p.m. Arntzen: - When you take these drugs in combination, do you any drugs?

1:43 p.m. Breivik: - No, not at all.

1:43 p.m. Attorney Inga Bejer Engh takes over the examination.

1:44 p.m. Engh: - Can you tell in your own words what happened on Utøya this afternoon?

1:44 p.m. Breivik: - I would recommend anyone who does not need to hear, not to hear. You want to hear everything?

1:44 p.m. Engh: - I want to hear everything.

1:44 p.m. Breivik - I was then at the property, waiting to run down to the pier. The boat would go once an hour.

1:45 p.m. Breivik look down on the table in the witness box. On the table are some sheets of Breivik's own notes.

1:45 p.m. Breivik - I parked so that no one could see me from the road. I took off the armor and combat vest. So I connected the blue light, and drove down five of five.

1:45 p.m. Breivik - I was not sure if the blue light was connected properly.

1:46 p.m. Breivik: - I saw that there was an AUF-capable with 5-6 people. I parked just off the ferry. Then I saw in the window that there was a AUFer towards the car. I had some equipment that I wanted them to see. I walked out of the car and met him halfway.

1:47 p.m. Breivik stops in sentences and think for a moment before continuing.

1:47 p.m. Breivik: - There was a guard, for he had a communication device on them. I had the gun in the holster and police ID around his neck. I was afraid it would not look real enough.

1:48 p.m. Breivik: - I tried to prepare myself on how I should act. I told him that I was sent there by routine reasons for the bomb in Oslo. I asked for the boat, and he said it was prepared because of the bomb.

1:49 p.m. Breivik: - I said I had to in order to explain what had happened. He called up the boat, and I was told to wait for 5-10 minutes. I walked towards the car, and asked him to stay away because I was going to prepare the equipment.

1:50 p.m. tv2.no will not reproduce every detail of Breivik's explanation about the actions of Utøya.

1:50 p.m. Breivik: - I saw when MS Thorbjorn come after a few minutes. It was a woman, Monica Bosei. I told the same story. She wondered why they had not been told. I said it was chaos.

1:51 p.m. Breivik: - I asked to be taken to the island, and said that I should inform the guards out there about what had happened. I said I had to get a box shipped over. I took the rifle and a pretty heavy box, which I brought over to the boat.

1:53 p.m. Breivik: - She said that the rifle had to be hidden, not to scare everyone on the island. I went over to the car, and took a black trash bag. I left his gun behind, since there was no resistance. I put the rifle into the plastic bag. So began the crossing.

1:55 p.m. Breivik - I talked with the captain on the way over. Monica Bosei said it was a policeman on the island. I asked if he was armed. She said he was there as a civilian, and without police authority. I asked her to collect the guard so that I could eliminate the threat quickly.

1:56 p.m. Breivik: - I was prepared to meet them when we came across. Then came three or four people against me, and then I saw clearly the guard responsible man. He looked out the professional, as an abuser, such as police and military are doing. I introduced myself and told the same story to him.

1:57 p.m. Breivik: - He did not respond to my false ideas. I asked the captain to take up my case and put it on the back of the house, to have a base of operations. I had to avoid snipers. He put it into the car and drove up, while I talked to Monika and watch.

1:58 p.m. Breivik: - He began to ask me different things. I said I was in Oslo police, PST, or something. After maybe five minutes, I noticed that he was suspicious. He asked if I knew it and the person in the PST, and I realized that something was going to happen. I was not happy. I thought that I had very little light.

1:59 p.m. Breivik: - I answered as best I could, and he made the follow-up questions. I interrupted him and said we should go up to the house and that I was going to brief them about what had happened in Oslo. They went up in front of me, and I thought that it was now or never.

2:01 p.m. Breivik - I had a 17 shot magazine and rifle in hand, in a bag. I knew I had to turn to, or be arrested. The minutes seemed like a year. The whole body fought against when I took the weapon. It was a hundred voices in my head that said I would not do it.

2:01 p.m. Breivik: - There was a bullet in the chamber of the gun. I knew that there were three people behind me, and I was therefore surrounded by five people. When we went up I took out the gun.

2:02 p.m. TV 2 has chosen not to reproduce all the details on this part of the explanation.

2:03 p.m. Breivik: - I remember that when I lifted the gun told Monica that I would not be right weapon at the guard. Just after I pulled off and he shot.

2:03 p.m. Breivik - I shot several times, and it was screaming.

2:03 p.m. Breivik - I fired, and tried to hit the head.

2:03 p.m. TV 2 has chosen not to reproduce all the details on this part of the explanation.

2:04 p.m. Breivik - I ended up in a state of shock and do not remember much from Utøya. I remember a total of ten minutes. I do not remember if I went into the house then. I think people ran in all directions, and I walked slowly by. I was not able to run because of the equipment.

2:05 p.m. Breivik: - The plan was to execute those who ran the MS Thorbjorn, that they should not run off with the boat. I did not know that Delta was going to use it when they came. I assumed that it would take about 30 minutes.

2:06 p.m. Breivik: - I had intended to neutralize the boat crew, but were unsure if they were in the AUF or civilians. Because of my conscience, I would not attack those who were attached to the boat.

2:07 p.m. Breivik: - When I was at the pier, I heard that the captain said they had run away. They were scared and ran out from the island. I thought it was a big mistake to let the boat go away.

2:07 p.m. Breivik: - The next thing I remember is that I came to the cafe building.

2:08 p.m. Breivik: - I took the rifle out of the bag, and changed the magazine in the Glock. The next thing I remember is that I'm on the side of the building. There were many people. They had heard the shots, but not where it came from. I walked slowly towards them, it was chaos.

2:08 p.m. Breivik says it's a half years since he had explained this to the police and do not remember it as well anymore.

2:10 p.m. Breivik: - I ask questions to confuse them. "What happened?". It was the one who shouted "you shot him, you shot him." There were many in the windows provided. When I raised the rifle to the cafeteria building, and so I shot at the windows. Then there was total chaos, and all ran in all directions. I thought that I would go in and kill as many people as possible.

2:11 p.m. Breivik: - I do not remember anything, but I heard afterwards that I killed seven people in the first room, with a Glock.

2:11 p.m. Breivik: - When I entered the main room where, I remember quite a lot. There was a piano there. In a corner stood a lot, and I fired at them.

2:11 p.m. TV 2 has chosen not to reproduce all the details on this part of the explanation.

2:12 p.m. Breivik - I shoot first against them once, and then follow-up shots. I see that many are unable to move. It looked strange. I've never seen it on film.

2:13 p.m. Breivik: - I run out of ammunition, but they can not move. Many people pray for their lives, but I do not remember what they said.

2:14 p.m. Breivik - I shoot follow-up shots at those who are down. An attempt to attack me. He comes to me with their hands raised. I pushed him away with one hand and shoot with the other.

2:15 p.m. Breivik: - It is quiet in the room. I have no memories after that, but remember I came out of my tent.

2:16 p.m. Breivik: - It says a person at the end. He has listened to the ipod and not heard. I shoot him. There has been a lot of shooting, but there is a large group in the forest on the other side of the tent.

2:17 p.m. Breivik - I fired at the group and take follow-up shots at those who are not dead.

2:18 p.m. Breivik sugar when he says that he almost "failed to act"

2:18 p.m. Breivik - I was in a shock situation and it was as far as I was able to work. It was like emergency lighting in a room.

2:19 p.m. Breivik: - I went to the Love Trail. A group of about 10 people have stopped running. I go straight to them and shoot them all. They were paralyzed.

2:19 p.m. Breivik: - I can not concentrate at this time.

2:21 p.m. Breivik: - I went to the classroom. I think I met a man there. He just stands there and looks at me. I see a woman on my left side. I had to constantly watch out for threats. If one or another group had tried to resist, they had managed to neutralize me.

2:21 p.m. Breivik's voice is relatively monotone, the pace varies. Some parts of the explanation seems more rehearsed, but it slows down when it looks like he think about what he will explain.

2:22 p.m. Breivik: - I had planned to shoot the fewest possible, but rather scare them into the water so they would drown.

2:24 p.m. Breivik: - I used the psychological call to create more fear. I have read the questioning of AUFere saying that I did different things that are wrong. What I said was, "You will die today, Marxists." And they were terrified.

2:25 p.m. Breivik: - The man I met was trying to warn the woman. I fired at the man's head. So I shot the woman several times. So I went to the school house.

2:25 p.m. Breivik testified that he thought about wearing a swastika on his chest as a pure fear factor, but decided against it because he didn't want people to think he was a Nazi.

2:26 p.m. Breivik: - I would not go into the building because I was afraid of being turned down by a blunt object.

2:26 p.m. The Court has taken a 20 minute break. The court is again at 14.45.

2:50 p.m. Breivik: - That I have not mentioned is that when using the ECA stack so you become very dehydrated and I had to drink lots of water. I had a Camelback on his back with water.

2:51 p.m. Breivik - I continued to walk towards the main house, where my box was located. It was very difficult at first, but it was easier to go when I had used ammunition. I got the new magazine. In case I also had diesel. The plan was to force those who were inside the house, so I could shoot them. I was looking for a lighter, but could not find it.

2:52 p.m. Breivik: - I would pour diesel around the houses and set fire to. But in retrospect, I learned that diesel is not flammable, so it was a mistake. But I could not lighter.

2:53 p.m. Breivik - I thought that I could smoke them out, though I could not burn them out. I threw a smoke grenade at the window in the main house. But it weighed not enough to break trail, and it rolled towards the pier.

2:54 p.m. Breivik - I thought then that Delta was certainly on its way, and that the smoke would prevent the snipers to see me. I threw another grenade at the other house, but I do not know if there is someone there. No one came out.

2:55 p.m. Breivik: - I hear a lot of noise from the pier area. I go down there and see some traffic. I see some AUFere to my left, and shoot at them.

2:56 p.m. Breivik: - I see when MS Reiulf that is on its way from Utøya. I shoot at it. I also see another boat. This boat rescues up AUFere swimming. I hit the hull. I would scare them.

2:58 p.m. Breivik: - I then went to the cafe building. I thought that I could find a lighter there. I went into the building. Where I see a cell phone on the floor. I thought that I had completed my mission. I assumed that I was scared about a hundred people on the water.

2:59 p.m. Breivik: - I decided to call the police to surrender. But it was busy. It was still busy at 112 When I finally got through, it was the conversation we have played. I mean that in both calls asking to speak to Delta.

2:59 p.m. Breivik: - I asked to be called by the right person.

3:00 p.m. Breivik: - I was very unsure of what to do.

3:00 p.m. Breivik: - I thought, since they do not call me up again, they're not going to let me surrender, so I can continue until I am killed.

3:01 p.m. Breivik: - I went to Pride Mountain, in the north to the Bolshevik. Here I see 4-5 people and shoot them. I killed two and injured the other.

3:02 p.m. Breivik: - I'll go ahead and see a cluster of people. I have no memories from the Bolsheviks, but the police say I killed more people.

3:02 p.m. Breivik: - I would not go to the east, because Delta would be able to shoot me.

3:03 p.m. Breivik: - I therefore went back again, the Pump House. I remember passing by and thought it was an outhouse.

3:04 p.m. Breivik: - I would confuse them and said, "have you seen the Terrorist?". They were very skeptical.

3:04 p.m. Breivik: - They said they had heard shots. I said that there was a boat to evacuate them. Some of them moved towards me. I raised my Glock and fired at them.

3:05 p.m. Breivik: - I aimed at their heads, and shot a lot there.

3:05 p.m. Breivik: - One tried to talk to me, but I fired at all.

3:06 p.m. Brevik is completely at ease in his voice when he says "I shot everyone who was there."

3:07 p.m. Breivik: - Ten people were in a cluster. I shot at them several times. I shot the follow-up shots. Some played dead.

3:08 p.m. Breivik - I thought "Okay, no one has called me. I can call again." It was busy, until I came through. It is the second call that has been played. I asked again about to be transferred to the Delta.

3:09 p.m. Breivik: - I went to the western tip of the island. I thought all the time looking places I would have hidden me. And it was such a place. I saw that people were hiding in the mountain wall. It is steep down there, and because of the equipment, I could not go down there. I started shooting with a rifle.

3:10 p.m. Breivik: - I think I shot four people there, who had failed to hide properly. I also saw some swimming. A person was down there, and I shot at him. He collapsed.

3:11 p.m. Breivik: - I saw a yellow boat that ran the group that swam. I thought it was a rescue. I fired two shots towards them, and it turned.

3:12 p.m. Breivik: - So I went to Love trail, where I saw all those I had shot before. Then I heard the helicopter and thought that it was the police with the sniper. I thought I was going to be killed soon after.

3:13 p.m. Breivik - I thought "If I survive this? I'm going to be the most hated person in Norway." I looked at my Glock. But then I thought of the manifesto, which says that you should let the arrest and be responsible for the action.

3:14 p.m. Breivik: - I did not understand why the helicopter came so close. I thought perhaps that their equipment did not work. I thought of shooting them.

3:14 p.m. Breivik: - I would not shoot at police officers, for it is not the enemy. I went under the canopy, south.

3:15 p.m. Breivik: - There was a lot of activity at sea. I saw possibly some swimming.

3:17 p.m. Breivik: - I have forgotten two things: In the cafe building, I saw a girl so young, so I did not shoot her. On the southern tip I shot the people who stood in the head. A little boy standing there hylgråter, possibly paralyzed. I think that he can not be 16 years. I say "it's going to go well" and turn around.

3:17 p.m. Breivik: - I would go to my base, and put on my flak vest.

3:19 p.m. Breivik: - I see a group of six people, and realize that the Delta. I throw from my rifle. I am considering to attack them, but it strikes me. I walk ten feet, and they call something to me.

3:20 p.m. Breivik: - They told me to lie down on the ground. I was unsure what to do. I answered a little arrogant. Someone told me to lie down on the ground and some said the knees. I did not dare to oppose more.

3:20 p.m. Breivik - I was asked if I was armed, and I said no. They assured me, and then they began immediately to look for more perpetrators.

3:21 p.m. Breivik: - They immediately began searching for more. The place I was assured was only a few meters from where I had killed two people before. I lay there for 30-40 minutes.

3:21 p.m. Breivik: - So I was led into the main house of the Delta operators.

3:22 p.m. Breivik - I thought they would do anything to get information from me. I said if they were going to execute me, they could do that. They denied it. I was taken up in 2 floor, and the interrogation began. It lasted maybe five hours.

3:23 p.m. Breivik: - I think I have said so much now, but that's just asking.

3:23 p.m. Prosecutors Engh: - Now you have explained yourself quite detailed, but I want to know if you remember some things.

3:24 p.m. Engh: - You've described how you came by boat. The first two murders. Why did you shoot several shots at these two people?

3:24 p.m. Breivik: - It was to be sure they were dead.

3:25 p.m. Engh: - You have said that you went to the cafeteria building. Outside the entrance, it was found three dead. It is the entrance where there is a kiosk. Do you remember anything about these?

3:26 p.m. Breivik: - No, I do not remember anything of it.

3:26 p.m. Engh: - In front of the cafe building, where windows are. There were found two people. Do you remember if you shot someone outside there?

3:27 p.m. Breivik: - I think I shot somebody. I remember I was there, and what I said. I think I talked to a woman. She said "You shot him, you shot him." I tried to confuse them and asked what had happened.

3:27 p.m. Engh: - Before you went into the cafe building. Extension out of tent?

3:28 p.m. Breivik: - I remember shooting through a series of tents, one or two shots.

3:28 p.m. Engh: - Do you have any recollection of how you shot beyond the tent? What weapons?

3:28 p.m. Engh: - You talked earlier today about a sight. How did it work?

3:28 p.m. Breivik: - I spent enough Glock before the cafe building, and the rifle afterwards.

3:29 p.m. The prosecutor shows a sketch of the cafe building.

3:30 p.m. Engh: - Six people were killed in Little Hall. This is where the piano stands. You remember those who hid behind the piano?

3:30 p.m. Breivik: - I have to remember the mistakes of the Little Hall and Great Hall. I remember the piano there, but thought it was in the Great Hall.

3:31 p.m. Breivik: - I ran out of ammunition at the piano. I saw that some pretended that they were dead. I loaded and fired on them.

3:31 p.m. TV 2 has chosen not to reproduce all the details on this part of the explanation.

3:31 p.m. Breivik: - There were people who cried, begged and prayed. I remember little of what was said, but it was terrible.

3:32 p.m. Engh: - What were you thinking then and there?

3:33 p.m. Breivik explains that the brain switches off when it is in battle mode.

3:33 p.m. Breivik: - It is absolutely terrible. But at the time .. When you are in this mode are traumatized brain. It disables certain features, and you do not think properly. You do not get done any ethical evaluation.

3:33 p.m. Engh: - Are you saying that you did not feel anything?

3:34 p.m. Breivik: - It was hard to make the first shots. But after the first shots I got in this mode, and when it became much easier.

3:34 p.m. Breivik - I knew what I did and it was wrong. It is the most extreme action you can do.

3:35 p.m. Engh: - Do you remember how close you were when you shot the people behind the piano?

3:35 p.m. Breivik: - I started shooting a group from the left. I was just a few inches in from them, maybe ten.

3:35 p.m. Engh: - It is one that is hit in the door between Little Hall and Great Hall. Do you remember that?

3:36 p.m. Engh: - So do you see in the Great Hall. Do you remember anything from there?

3:37 p.m. Breivik - I seem to remember that there was a speaker on the right. I thought that the piano was here, the skirmish I remember very well. But otherwise, I remember it.

3:37 p.m. Engh: - It is one that is killed immediately. Do you remember whether you have gone in that time?

3:38 p.m. Breivik: - No.

3:38 p.m. Engh: - When you walked out of the building. How it looked when inside the building?

3:38 p.m. Breivik: - It was horrible. There was a large pool of blood there. They just lay there and there was blood everywhere.

3:38 p.m. Engh: - Did you have any idea how many you have killed to do?

3:39 p.m. Breivik: - When I was I thought I had killed 40 people. At this point I could not remember all.

3:39 p.m. Breivik: - At this point I thought maybe 12

3:40 p.m. Breivik: - The brain erases memories, the horrible images will be deleted against their will. The brain looks at the attacks.

3:40 p.m. Engh: - At this point, you had killed 21 people.

3:40 p.m. Breivik: - Okay.

3:41 p.m. Engh: - You said that to get through the press censorship, it was enough to kill 12 people. Why did you not then?

3:41 p.m. Breivik: - My goal was not to kill 21 people, but killing 600 people.

3:41 p.m. Engh: - Can you repeat that?

3:41 p.m. Breivik: - I assumed that everyone would begin to swim, they would drown. When I thought everyone was scared of the water, I called the police.

3:42 p.m. Engh: - Did you have any thoughts when you left the cafe building on how many you had shot?

3:42 p.m. Breivik: - I had no thoughts about it.

3:42 p.m. Engh: - Would it matter to you?

3:42 p.m. Breivik: - It's a great question. The thousand thoughts went through my head. The idea was to kill as many as possible.

3:43 p.m. Breivik: - It was only later, when I thought that was accomplished, I thought about stopping.

3:44 p.m. Holden: - The reason we ask is that when you spoke of ministries filed an expression that you would not have gone to Utøya if there were twelve people killed in the government quarter.

3:44 p.m. Breivik - I knew in advance that its ministries failed because it was vacation, and late in the day.

3:44 p.m. Holden: - Had you been told on the radio that, for example. were 20 fatalities in Oslo. What had you done?

3:45 p.m. Breivik: - I did so many reviews that day. Even before I started the day I thought that the bomb failed, because it was public holiday.

3:45 p.m. Holden: - We wondered if Utøya was determined in advance?

3:45 p.m. Breivik: - But if the building had collapsed, it could be that I had dropped it.

3:45 p.m. Breivik: - When there had been a successful action.

3:46 p.m. Engh: - You describe that you get out of the cafe building and stands at the tent site. Do you know how long you stand and shoot then?

3:46 p.m. Breivik: - maybe up to 15-20 seconds.

3:46 p.m. Engh: - Is there a lot of people then?

3:46 p.m. Breivik: - They stand on end. I start with a view, and I shoot from the hip.

3:46 p.m. Engh: - You say you see that you hit someone.

3:47 p.m. Engh: - There are two people taken at Tent space that have died of your shots. You have described that there are some located at the end of the tent. We know that there are found ten pieces that are found near Love trail?

3:47 p.m. Breivik: - There may be those, yes.

3:48 p.m. Engh: - Of the ten who were gathered at the Love Trail was a survivor. Do you have any thoughts on that?

3:48 p.m. Breivik: - She played perhaps dead, and I ignored her.

3:48 p.m. Engh: - There are descriptions that you shoot down a cliff on the Love Trail. Do you remember that?

3:49 p.m. Breivik: - Yes.

3:49 p.m. Engh: - Here are five of us were killed and many injured ...

3:49 p.m. Breivik: - I remember it very well.

3:49 p.m. Engh: - Do you remember how people were on the slope?

3:49 p.m. Breivik: - It was rough terrain and difficult to find hiding places. I have so much equipment on me that I can not go down. But I shot at a distance, and struck at least four.

3:50 p.m. Engh - Do you see how they look?

3:50 p.m. Breivik: - There were many who wore pants and hoodies.

3:51 p.m. Breivik: - A AUFer have said that I have laughed and smiled. I can disprove.

3:51 p.m. Engh: - Why not?

3:51 p.m. Breivik: - Why would I laugh?

3:51 p.m. Engh: - They have given a description that they laugh, you say ....

3:51 p.m. Breivik: - It has been a rumor. I think it was awful, and it is not true.

3:51 p.m. Holden: - Have you always control when you smile?

3:52 p.m. Breivik: - I can smile about defensive reasons, as a defense mechanism.

3:52 p.m. Holden: - How can you rule out that it happened on Utøya?

3:52 p.m. Breivik: - If I have smiled, I have certainly not joint. I am sure that I had no reason for it out there.

3:52 p.m. Breivik: - Had I done so, I said it. I have said anything.

3:53 p.m. Engh: - The police believe that you have gone down Love trail and ended up on Sydspissen at about 17:40. Do you remember anything from there?

3:53 p.m. Breivik - I've only been there once. It was the very end.

3:54 p.m. Breivik: - I have no memory if I have been there twice.

3:54 p.m. Breivik is engaged when the prosecutor repeated the way he believes he took.

3:54 p.m. Engh - You shot the door of the school house?

3:55 p.m. Breivik: - I do not remember. When I was there to interview, I thought that I had not been there. But then I saw that the route was broken. But I can take the thought that I could be struck down if I went inside.

3:55 p.m. Engh: - When you say you've been there, it's because you've heard it from the police?

3:55 p.m. Breivik: - I am a bit unsure.

3:55 p.m. Engh: - To continue to the information the house where you have your stuff alone. Obtain as more ammunition?

3:56 p.m. Breivik: - Yes. Both the Glock and the gun.

3:56 p.m. Engh: - You have talked about a few smoke bombs ....

3:56 p.m. Breivik: - I would smoke out the people from the buildings.

3:56 p.m. Engh: - You had a diesel ...

3:57 p.m. Breivik: - diesel was in the box. It is possible I took them out, I do not remember. I did not find the lighter.

3:57 p.m. Engh: - You have said that you went down to the pier at a time.

3:57 p.m. Breivik: - I do not remember if it was before or after. I shot from a boat, which seemed to Thorbjorn.

3:57 p.m. Engh: - Did you see anything on the land at that time?

3:58 p.m. Breivik: - I saw a police car and that there was great activity. A man ran across the pier and I was considering firing.

3:58 p.m. Breivik: - I did not have good enough aim to hit accurately, it was calibrated to 100 meters.

3:58 p.m. Engh: - Were you afraid of being hit?

3:59 p.m. Breivik - I was not scared, but worried. I was exposed to, and could not be there long. So I went up again.

3:59 p.m. Engh: - Were you afraid to die then?

3:59 p.m. Breivik: - No.

3:59 p.m. Engh: - You say you went to the cafe building again. When did you find a cell phone. Gave up looking for lighter at this time?

4:00 p.m. Breivik: - The kiosk was locked. I thought it probably was not allowed to smoke there. I peeked in the kitchen, but no lighter, then went out again.

4:00 p.m. The court adjourned for the weekend and be back Monday at 09

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