2012-04-23 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 06: Breivik Testimony: Utoya Massacre

2012-04-23 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 06: Breivik Testimony: Utoya Massacre

Oslo District Court: #: 11-188627 MED-05 | 23 April 2012 | Breivik Report/TV2.NO

9:06 Breivik: - I have two questions to the judge Arntzen: It is important that the judges get to know about the 40 politically motivated actions that were implemented after the war. It is important that judges know about the organized resistance of the war.

9:06 Arntzen: - We can come back to. We will have time later. We will come back to.

9:06 Brievik: - I also want the judges to know about the attacks that I have been postponed from the Muslims.

9:06 Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - We had reached the conclusion that you came to the cafe built for the second time. Before we go any further, I would ask a couple of things that have happened on the road.

9:07 Engh: - You testified Friday about someone you killed at the tent site. It is found murdered at the Love Trail. Do you remember how they behaved when they were killed?

9:08 Breivik: - I do not remember. But I think you have read in a report that they lay in the fetal position. It is possible that they were paralyzed. But I do not remember.

9:08 Engh: - Do you remember anything about these ten people today?

9:08 Breivik: - No, I do not.

9:08 Engh: - Do you remember what kind of weapon you used?

9:08 Engh: - not how close you were?

9:08 Breivik: - If I were within 5-10 meters I used Glock. If it were farther away, I used the rifle.

8:57 Behring Anders Breivik is brought into the courtroom 250

8:58 Breivik and Lippestad have a conversation. Breivik looks determined and gesturing.

8:59 Court judges have been received. The court is set.

9:00 Judge Wenche Artnzen say they will look at the schedule before proceeding with Breivik's explanation.

9:00 Holden: - We think it will be difficult to end the questioning of the defendant today.

9:01 Holden: - We propose to move the questioning regarding the experts' assessment until Wednesday, if it becomes necessary.

9:02 Holden: - We have carried out a continuous evaluation of our proof task. We will waive a witness.

9:02 Holden: - The other witnesses, we still need to carry.

9:03 Judge Arntzen will today also consider a request to film Breivik while others explain it.

9:04 Breivik takes place in the witness box.

9:06 Breivik: - I have two questions to the judge Arntzen: It is important that the judges get to know about the 40 politically motivated actions that were implemented after the war. It is important that judges know about the organized resistance of the war.

9:06 Arntzen: - We can come back to. We will have time later. We will come back to.

9:06 Brievik: - I also want the judges to know about the attacks that I have been postponed from the Muslims.

9:06 Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - We had reached the conclusion that you came to the cafe built for the second time. Before we go any further, I would ask a couple of things that have happened on the road.

9:07 Engh: - You testified Friday about someone you killed at the tent site. It is found murdered at the Love Trail. Do you remember how they behaved when they were killed?

9:08 Breivik: - I do not remember. But I think you have read in a report that they lay in the fetal position. It is possible that they were paralyzed. But I do not remember.

9:08 Engh: - Do you remember anything about these ten people today?

9:08 Breivik: - No, I do not.

9:08 Engh: - Do you remember what kind of weapon you used?

9:08 Engh: - not how close you were?

9:08 Breivik: - If I were within 5-10 meters I used Glock. If it were farther away, I used the rifle.

9:08 Engh: - When you used the Glock. Do you remember how close you were?

9:09 Breivik: - I do not remember.

9:09 Engh: - You said Friday that they pass again, that you see them when you go Love path the second time. Do you remember if they shot more times than the first time you were there?

9:10 Breivik: - It is not something I remember.

9:11 Engh: - We are in the cafeteria building. To retrieve a phone and call the police ... When you come to the north of the island. The Pride Mountain, in the far north, it found three people. Do you remember anything from that?

9:11 Breivik: - I have no memories of it. It was a kind of bay. I used the rifle and shot at three people. I believe they were injured.

9:12 Engh: - The three people. They sit together?

9:12 Breivik: - Yes, I think so. I think there were two women and a man.

9:13 Breivik: - They saw me coming. I fired a shot at them with a rifle. Then they fled. I'll follow-up shots at the three.

9:13 Engh: - No one is injured in this area. Anyone will be shot here dies.

9:13 Breivik - I may have gone up at Pride Mountain and met when they fled.

9:14 Engh: - It is found five dead on the beach. Do you remember when you were near them?

9:14 Breivik: - I was at a distance, but I may have come closer eventually.

9:15 Engh: - You have explained that you go on to the Pump House. Here it is found 14 dead people. You said on Friday that you said that you were police and that there had been a boat. Why did you do that?

9:16 Breivik: - Well I went from east to west. Coincidentally, I saw a head sticking up at the pump house, and when I discovered that there were several there. When I asked if they had seen "him". It was to lure them out. I said there was a boat that would take them to safety.

9:16 Breivik: - Some of them looked a bit skeptical, others relieved. Three of them came to me. I shot one of the girls in the head, and then it was complete panic. I shot the others.

9:16 Engh: - How close were you when you shot her?

9:17 Breivik: - 1-2 meters away.

9:17 Breivik: - Some fled immediately. When they came more from a distance, I shot with a rifle.

9:18 Breivik: - I went back a few meters. Many lay in a pool of blood at the Pump House. I took the follow-up shots at them, to assure me that they pretended they were dead.

9:18 Breivik: - All shots were fired at his head. I went over to the individuals and they shot in the head.

9:19 Engh: - When you went from there. How did it look like there?

9:19 Engh - Why was it horrible, Breivik?

9:20 Breivik: - Killing an individual is the most extreme thing to do. It goes against human nature. I've never experienced anything so terrible. It was probably more terrible for them than for me. But it was terrible.

9:20 Engh: - But it was necessary?

9:20 Breivik: - 22 July was necessary, yes.

9:20 Engh: - You end up on the southern tip. There are five people killed. Do you remember anything about these murders?

9:22 Breivik: - I remember the topography, that there were small trees there, that it was difficult to hide behind. I think I remember that some swam. But I remember the little boy I talked about on Friday well. When I turned around and called the boy "he saved me, he saved me."

9:22 Engh: - So he was taking the lives of the others on the southern tip?

9:23 Breivik: - When I approached the southern tip I saw the little boy. I thought it was wrong to shoot a child. I did not understand what a small boy was doing in a political indoctrination camp.

9:23 Breivik: - I began to have little ammunition. When I turned around, stood the little boy there. I said that "everything will go well."

9:23 Holden - If you get into the boy's place. How do you think he saw it?

9:24 Breivik: - He was in shock. He screamed. He was paralyzed. It is the worst he had experienced in his life.

9:24 Holden: - How do you think he has it today?

9:24 Breivik: - I have ruined his life.

9:24 Holden: - How?

9:25 Breivik: - I have caused him massive psychological damage, and I killed his father.

9:25 Holden: - Do you feel guilty that you exposed this guy to this?

9:26 Breivik: - I realize what I have done. But as I said before, this is a small barbarism against a much greater barbarism. I do not feel guilty because I have chosen not to have it.

9:26 Holden: - Does that mean that you absolutely do not know the feelings the child may have had?

9:27 Breivik: - I know what I have done. But it is impossible to take this into it. I can not even begin to fathom how they have it.

9:27 Breivik is calm and explains without any visible emotion.

9:28 Breivik: - People say that they have lost the dearest thing they have. But on 22.7 I also lost my family and all my friends. But I had a choice, it did not have. But I lost everything on 22.7. To a certain extent, I understand how they feel.

9:28 Engh: - Would you like us to sympathize with you?

9:28 Breivik: - Absolutely not. It is for information only.

9:28 Engh: - The southern tip. The five who were killed, do you remember if they were together?

9:29 Breivik: - I think I fired a few shots at the water, but I remember no more.

9:29 Engh: - We have been through those killed on Utøya and what you remember in connection with this. There are a number of people you met, but survived. They will explain in court how they saw this.

9:30 Engh - Back in the cafe building the first time. Inside the cafe building, do you remember if you shot someone who ran from there or you perceive that not being killed?

9:30 Breivik: - I have no memories of it, but it is likely.

9:30 Engh: - The Tent space that you go over the cafe building. Friday you said that you shot out tent space. Do you remember if you met someone who did not die?

9:31 Breivik: - It is likely that. When I came there were no wounded there, but they may have fled.

9:32 Engh: - You said Friday that it was a tent on the square you shot that was lying there.

9:32 Engh: - You should have shot down the slope. Here was injured several people. Can you describe it?

9:32 Engh: - There was injured nine people beyond those who were killed ...

9:33 Breivik: - No, I can not say too much about it. But what I remember is that I remember so many who tried to hide. When I tried to shoot them in the arms and legs. I know that I fired at the legs and arms sticking out, to get them out of the viewing angle.

9:33 Engh: - Some memory of how they looked, what have not you?

9:33 Breivik: - No.

9:33 Engh: - So you know someone fell?

9:33 Breivik: - There was one that fell, and when I took the follow-up shots at him.

9:34 Engh: - The Pump House, three met who did not die ....

9:35 Breivik: - There, I remember a woman who I first saw the leg. I think I fired 2-3 shots to the leg.

9:35 Breivik: - I saw several who tried to flee south. I shot at them. I think I met him one.

9:36 Engh: - On the western tip of it hit two people. Do you remember anything about it?

9:36 Breivik: - I can mix pump house and the western tip, I suspect it ..

9:37 Engh: - You end the southern tip where six people are injured shots ...

9:37 Engh: - What do you think about it?

9:37 Breivik: - swam they, or the country?

9:37 Engh: - They were in the water.

9:37 Breivik: - There were many who fled into the water, and I fired at them.

9:37 Engh: - But do you have any memories of it? Can you describe some people?

9:38 Breivik: - Some tried to swim to the pier on the other side. I fired shots at them when they were 10-15 meters away.

9:38 Engh: - Before we leave what happened on the island. Anything else you want to add?

9:41 Breivik: - One who has said that I saved him, the Pump House and the Love Trail. I have no direct memory of it, but I think .. he saw the suspect, more leftist than others.

9:41 Breivik is involved when you explain that some people see the Marxist, while others look more right-wing out.

9:41 Engh: - Do you have any memories that you saved him?

9:42 Breivik: - In him I saw a little of myself. I know that I see right wing out. It may have been why I saved him.

9:44 Breivik: - In connection with the government district I forgot to say .. there were some who were injured and one died who had no connection to its ministries. In addition, others who were directly injured, who had no affiliation. I would not, under any circumstances, defined as the goal. I will give a big apology and regret to them.

9:44 Breivik: - I will come with an apology to the bereaved and the injured.

9:44 Breivik is expressionless when he sorry for the injured and relatives of victims he calls civilians have been affected.

9:44 Holden: - Do you have any excuses for the other relatives?

9:45 Breivik: - No, I do not. It is awful that they are forced to do such a horrible act, but when it is impossible otherwise to be heard. But when 44 of the island had management positions ..

9:45 Holden: - What about those who had leadership positions in the AUF?

9:46 Breivik: - Had there been a better measure that day, I had chosen it.

9:46 Holden: - You have said that there were some in the government building that fell outside the mission objective yours. So, you said that some had leadership positions in the AUF that fall into your målbeskrivelsen. What about the others on Utøya?

9:47 Breivik: - I have little information about the different people. But there was one from Norwegian People's Aid there, but I do not know if she was also associated with AP.

9:48 Breivik: - The two who were 14 years, they did not have leadership positions, and it was not desirable to frame someone who was under 18. But those who were there, were succesfully indoctrinated.

9:48 Holden: - There is no apology to relatives of one who worked for Norwegian People's Aid?

9:48 Breivik: - I do not have enough information.

9:48 Engh: - Did you have any thoughts about what would happen to you when you were arrested?

9:49 Breivik: - It is always a chance that I would get a bullet in the forehead.

9:49 Breivik: - But when I was shot during his arrest, I thought that there could be problems during questioning. But 22.7 was a suicide attack, and it's not about me.

9:50 Engh: - What you are saying is that when you came to the house and the information was included in the second floor. What do you think the police will do to you?

9:51 Breivik: - Under the particular circumstances, I knew it was a chance that the most experienced police officers could be irrational. I also knew that Labor was powerful and had contacts. They could have said to people in the police that they wanted me to survive.

9:51 Engh: - Did you think the police would kill you?

9:51 Breivik: - If they had lost someone there, or if they were emotionally unstable, they could have asked.

9:52 Engh: - Were you aware that we do not have the death penalty in Norway?

9:52 Breivik: - The sight that awaited Utøya could make people emotionally unstable.

9:52 Engh: - Did you have any thoughts about what would happen to your family?

9:53 Breivik - I knew the likelihood was there that my family and friends could be the victim of a lynch mob. Therefore, I berated them in the compendium, to protect them.

9:53 Engh: - In the hearing on the information the house you ask the police are going to execute your family ....

9:54 Breivik: - I was referring to a lynch mob, and was not afraid of the police to do so.

9:54 Engh reading from the first interrogation of the information the house: "He also believes that his family thinks he's going to be executed."

9:55 Breivik: - I am not accusing the police to do so. But for example, 25 July, when people gathered in Oslo .. if I had walked down the street then I would have been lynched.

9:55 Engh: - When you say there was some possibility that you were killed, but when it comes to your family comes to the lynch mobs?

9:55 Breivik: - I said that torture would have little effect on me, because I had resolve.

9:56 Engh: - The planning of Utøya. Did you have any plans to get away from the island without getting arrested?

9:57 Breivik: - I considered the possibility of it. I have knowledge of aircraft position at Fornebu, and has studied how to fly small cessna aircraft. You would call it stealing ..

9:57 Engh: - What would you call it?

9:57 Breivik - I mean all militant nationalists are allowed to take it in use ..

9:57 Breivik: - I saw the plan as pointless.

9:58 Engh: - That the aircraft. Should you include it in advance?

9:58 Breivik: - Yes.

9:58 Engh: - Did you think you would be able to fly based on what you learned from Youtube videos?

9:58 Breivik: - Only theoretical knowledge from YouTube videos. But you can learn a lot from it.

9:59 Holden: - Denotes yourself as technically gifted?

9:59 Breivik: - I am a person who is good at putting myself in everything I'm interested in.

9:59 Holden: - 22nd July had a chat with Viking Rescue. What was the reason why you had to call them?

10:00 Holden: - I said 22 July. I meant 15 July. You could not get the car in reverse, but to fly a small plane ...

10:00 Breivik - I had problems with the car, craft shoulder.

10:00 Breivik: - It was not in the manual. They said it was a very special vehicle.

10:01 Holden: - On the one hand can not get the car in reverse. But you should be able to fly a Cessna aircraft after seeing Youtube videos?

10:01 Breivik: - Of course you can experience things you can not even if you have technical knowledge.

10:02 Engh: - Thursday or Friday you talked about what you would do if you encountered Gro Harlem Brundtland. Is there something beyond what you explained on Thursday? Would you talk to her?

10:02 Breivik: - I would mount the camera on a coke bottle or the like. Then I would read a text before I decapitated her. Then I would distribute the film on the internet.

10:02 Engh: - Do you remember what the text was?

10:03 Breivik: - It was a judgment, in which she was sentenced to death.

10:03 Engh: - Who is the judge?

10:03 Breivik: - In this case, me.

10:03 Engh: - Do you remember the speech verbatim?

10:04 Breivik: - That I'm a representative of the resistance movement and the KT network. Then I would read out the points.

10:05 Breivik: - I, Behring Anders Breivik, militant commander of the anti-communist movement KT in Europe, wants to ... lists so I set up the crimes ..

10:05 Breivik: - Judge hereby grants to the death of your central role in this.

10:06 Engh: - Why do you remember this by heart?

10:06 Breivik: It's the central message of the compendium. Their fault that my sisters are raped by Muslims in Norway.

10:06 Breivik talks enthusiastically when he says why he would do this.

10:06 Breivik: - It is a tool of psychological warfare.

10:07 Engh: - What were you wearing when you were on Utøya?

10:07 The prosecutor shows a picture of how police believe he was dressed.

10:08 Breivik - I had to battle the West, not the same as I had at the ministries.

10:08 Engh: - This is a picture of the shoes you wore. What is behind the shoes?

10:08 Breivik - I had spurs on his shoes, in case I was attacked from behind.

10:09 Engh shows a picture of a kind coin

10:09 Breivik: - There is a KT-tails. It is a good luck coin. The I bought from a company, through the internet.

10:09 Engh: - Good Luck Coin in KT?

10:09 Breivik: - It is a common coin that is made for KT-enthusiasts.

10:09 Engh: - The other KT network. Has the same coin?

10:10 Breivik:-This is the commercial goods that have nothing in our network to do.

10:10 Engh: - What do you use it as? Why were you on?

10:10 The prosecutor shows the back of the coin.

10:10 Breivik: - It will bring happiness, and it did.

10:11 Breivik: - It shows poor people who have given everything to fight. It represents us very well.

10:11 Engh: - It represents us, you say. Who is us?

10:11 Breivik: - The same principles they used 900 years ago that I live by today.

10:11 Engh shows off a necklace with a Maltese cross.

10:12 Breivik: - It is a necklace for the first Hendre KT. There is a special item that is sold by a Polish company.

10:13 Engh shows the image of the police directions to Breivik: - How did you made these?

10:13 Breivik: - The I made in Photoshop.

10:13 Breivik - I found a good starting point in Google's graphics library.

10:13 Breivik have short smile as he explains how he made the police logos.

10:14 Breivik: - I also had a KT-emblem, with the three hat-religions, Islam, Marxism and National Socialism.

10:14 Engh: - Is this the logo of KT?

10:15 Breivik: - I have received a directive that there should be a St George's cross and a skull.

10:15 Engh: - Did you get the directives during the meeting in London?

10:15 Breivik: - Yes.

10:15 Engh: - What do you think about this you have made?

10:15 Breivik:-It represents what we stand for. We fight to the death.

10:15 Engh: - Where did you get this?

10:16 Breivik: - I made it in Photoshop, and so I ordered that from a shop in India. It was cheaper there.

10:16 Engh: - How will the other KT members take advantage of this?

10:16 Breivik:-The starting point is what it conveys. If others feel that it is good enough, they can also use it.

10:16 Engh: - Why had it with you on Utøya?

10:17 Breivik: - In a martyr phase where it is known that the outcome would be death ...

10:17 Engh: - If you had been killed on Utøya and the police had found it in the jacket. What would they think then?

10:18 Breivik - I ordered two. The one I would have on the suicide attack, and the other on the uniform.

10:18 Breivik: - They would surely have found out what it stood for.

10:19 Prosecutors say Holden prosecutors may be ready for lunch. The court is a 20 minute break to watch 1040.

10:39 Prosecutors, aid lawyers and the experts are in place in Courtroom 250

10:41 The defenders have come into the courtroom.

10:42 Breivik are brought into law.

10:43 The court is set.

10:45 Breivik explains quietly, without visible emotion when he talks about possible present that he would execute. Almost as he reads from a book.

10:45 Breivik - I forgot to say something in place. It was possible that I would end up on the island one of the other days. Then I would behead Marthe Michelet and Jonas Gahr Støre. On all days were Eskil Pedersen secondary goal. Had I had time, I would have decapitated him too.

10:45 Engh: - On Thursday and Friday you have the comet with a part of war concept. Is there anything similar between what happened at Utøya and what you define as a war?

10:46 Breivik: - It was an assassination, and it is different from a war. It was an assassination, neither more nor less. There was no war. I know that we are not at war now, but it is to prevent a future civil war.

10:46 Engh: - You tried to prevent a future civil war?

10:47 Breivik: - Yes, along with other militant nationalists.

10:47 Engh: - In the first interrogation from your Utøya, you say that you participate in a political war, a civil war ...

10:47 Breivik smiles when he refers to the compendium.

10:48 Breivik: - It was an objective assessment ... It is a phase 1, as described in the compendium.

10:49 Engh: - You are interested in history, I have though. You have talked about knights and historical figures who have been fighting. How do you think they would look at the situation when you walk around the Utøya?

10:49 Breivik: - Most of our ancestors would have turned up in his grave if they knew what was happening now. When it comes to some of the historical heroes ..

10:50 Engh: - But how do you think they would look at a situation where an attacking defenseless children?

10:50 Breivik: - 40 percent were under 18 and only two were under 16.

10:50 Engh: - Breivik. We have the numbers. You know how many under 18 years you've killed?

10:51 Breivik: - 33 were under 18

10:51 Breivik: - It was not desirable to affect children under 18, but it was impossible because we did not see the difference.

10:51 Engh: - In etterid. Once you know the result. We know how many under 18 you killed there. What do you enjoy other warlords to look up to would think about it?

10:52 Breivik: - We are deprived of many opportunities. Utøya was the best policy goal 22 July. If I had done it again even though I knew there were many under 18 years? The answer is yes.

10:52 Engh: - How do you see that they were defenseless? How do you think that you look up to would look at it?

10:53 Breivik: - It is best to act on the element of surprise. It is the best means of political assassination.

10:53 Breivik has taken a belæringslignende tone of the explanation.

10:53 Engh: - You did not answer my question.

10:53 Breivik: - It was me against 70,000 armed that day. The only advantage I had was the element of surprise. I knew after 30 minutes it would be too late.

10:54 Engh: - How did you see the people who were on Utøya?

10:55 Breivik: - I did it, and that was what I had trained on. Through meditation, I had seen all the opponents as monsters, using a dehumanization strategy.

10:55 Engh: - So you see kids on Utøya as monsters while you were there?

10:55 Engh: - Did you know there were people you killed?

10:55 Breivik - I knew there were people, therefore it was terrible.

10:55 Engh: - You said Friday that they were the first shots, then bristled body against. How did you proceed?

10:56 Breivik: - It was only as far as I did. It is like being faced with a situation you definitely do not want to perform. If, for example, had a plate of feces in front of you, telling you to eat.

10:57 Breivik:-It was extremely difficult.

10:57 Engh: - What did you do to manage it? How overcame the resistance of the body? Were you thinking about something?

10:58 Breivik: - I have used some information to hype himself up. I used associations to ULEV injustice. I thought of Lebanon, that the former were mostly Christians there, but it is now only a minority. I thought the same thing would happen in Norway.

10:58 Engh: - What would happen if you did not shoot anyone on Utøya? What would have happened to Norway, Oslo?

10:58 Breivik: - I had been arrested. I knew that 22.7 was a contribution to the fight, nothing more or less.

10:59 Engh: - In an interview in connection with the recovery of Utøya you say that you thought Norway's future was up to you ....

11:00 Breivik: - That is correct. When in such a situation, it is important to think that one will survive, and it helps you fight. I appreciate the love of my ethnic group more than anything.

11:00 Engh: - What is the reason why you called the police while you were on Utøya?

11:01 Breivik - I had not planned it. I would hold on until I was killed. But then I thought that mission was completed. I thought I at that point had frightened many in the water and that up to 150 had drowned.

11:02 Engh: - To call at 18, you're going through right before 1830. When calling at 18, you have killed about 40 pieces of shot. Why you continued to kill after you have called in to the police and believe that the mission is complete?

11:03 Breivik: - The call ends with that I ask the person to call me back. So I thought that the plan was not to stop. I had been in a situation I was not prepared for, since I thought I would die of its ministries.

11:03 Breivik: - Doubts persisted, and I thought that the reason they have not called back was that they had decided that I should not escape with his life.

11:04 Engh: - I understand you so that you call in the first place that you've had enough attention to your case ...

11:04 Breivik: - The task was completed, that I had killed enough people.

11:05 Engh: - Had you intended to kill as many as possible out there?

11:05 Breivik: - The plan was to kill all of them to scare them in the water. But it was perhaps much worse than what I had set for me.

11:06 Engh: - You have several days explained the reason why you kill 22/7. One of the primary reasons is that you will have awareness of your compendium. You have said that the actions of Utøya perceived as cruel. You call in after killing 40 people, why do you continue to kill after you called in?

11:06 Breivik: - I can not remember what I thought. I can not say anything more about it.

11:06 Engh: - Are you considering any other options? Sit down and wait until the police arrived?

11:07 Breivik - I was not sure what to say when they called back.

11:07 Breivik - I was not prepared enough.

11:07 Engh: - Friday said the goal was to kill everyone on the island. Are you standing by that?

11:07 Breivik: - Yes, I stand by it.

11:07 Engh shows excerpts from the compendium.

11:08 Engh: - You write that if you are persecuted access to the primary goal while you demand a ransom and free access to save hostages ...

11:09 Holden: - You think you might enjoy killing journalists?

11:09 Breivik: - I did not use the tactics of Utøya, but may have used it in a different setting, the investigative conference. I might enjoy shooting journalists

11:10 Breivik: - They make a bigger betrayal than AUFere.

11:10 Holden: - You have a requirement in some contexts. We have visited some of it.

11:11 Breivik: - It is not a requirement, but an offer. I give something and get something.

11:11 Holden: - What is the "Requirements List 1"?

11:12 Breivik clearly uncomfortable when he responds to Holden's questions.

11:12 Breivik: - It is probably the one that is not considered realistic. It is about me and other militant nationalists demand that those who govern Norway turns. Large No dissolved and a national people committee to control.

11:12 Holden: - Do you see yourself in a role of the guardian's role?

11:13 Breivik: - I saw 22 July as a suicide action.

11:13 Holden: - If we had been in the situation where there had been a people committee, do you see a role in the Council?

11:13 Breivik: - No, it is not realistic.

11:13 Holden: - 23 July you say to the police: We believe we are the top military and political authority in Europe and is willing to give all category A and B traitors amnesty if the power delivered.

11:14 Breivik: - It is a magnificent way to say it. It's just a formality, not something I expected to happen.

11:14 Holden: - Have you ever thought of yourself as the leader of this council?

11:14 Breivik: - It is written in a pompous manner. It is irrelevant to the nationalist leader who will rule.

11:14 Holden: - Do you plan to submit any claims or offers during this trial?

11:14 Breivik: - I think probably the requirements put forward already been communicated.

11:17 Holden refers to the compendium where he writes that he was in the trial should demand freedom for his people and the power delivered from Parliament, and 20 hour access to the national broadcaster. Ridderjustituarius and a tribunal should appoint a military commander and a military state of emergency.

11:17 Breivik bites its own lip while Holden reader.

11:17 From the compendium: They know that it is not unlikely that the scenario described will occur sometime in the near future.

11:18 Breivik: - Ten years ago, had you seen for yourself that the Islamist political parties would lead the country in the Middle East?

11:18 Breivik smiles while he says that Islamist parties control the Middle Eastern countries. Seems very keen.

11:19 Breivik: - I refer to two books written on how to make a coup. My requirements are already known and communicated. This is completely unrealistic now.

11:19 Holden: - Here you come with advice on how others should do it ...

11:20 Holden: - Do you have any thoughts on what qualities a perfect member of KT should have?

11:20 Breivik: - It should be set up under a court trial. There will come a time where we are stronger than today.

11:20 Breivik: - A foot soldier is a foot soldier. You choose to fight.

11:20 Holden: - What personal sacrifices a knight must be willing to give?

11:21 Breivik: - You try to ridicule me. But a perfect knight is the same as a perfect foot soldier.

11:22 Holden read from the compendium regarding what a knight would be willing to sacrifice compared with an agent from the EU / U.S..

11:23 Breivik smiles while Holden reader.

11:23 Holden: - What were you thinking when you wrote this?

11:23 Breivik: - You have sunk to a low point now, Holden.

11:23 In the excerpt from the compendium it was about, among other things body parts knights had to be willing to sacrifice.

11:23 Breivik: - The compendium consists of 1800 pages, and consists of various scenarios that could happen for several decades.

11:24 Judge asks Arntzen Breivik not to repeat the accusation that the prosecutor has dropped to a minimum.

11:24 Breivik: - It is discussed whether it may be appropriate for al-Qaeda and nationalists to work together to destroy the multicultural societies of Europe.

11:25 Breivik: - The problem of al-Qaeda is that they are Arabs, and that people from the Middle East are subjected to suspicion. They had relied on militant nationalists to carry out assignments.

11:26 Breivik: - To prevent the cells infiltrated the police, and to be sure that not one person is an agent is to ask the person to perform such a great sacrifice that only a militant fundamentalist who will do it.

11:27 Breivik: - This is a very special scenario and it's very special to show just that.

11:27 Holden: - Breivik, before we move on. I was reading verbatim from the compendium. Is it to sink to a low point?

11:27 Breivik: - It is to take something out of context. When you do not say how you have it, your intentions obvious.

11:27 Lippestad: - Could not you read the headline in the compendium?

11:28 Holden: - Authentication in the acquisition of nuclear weapons from the enemies our enemies.

11:28 Holden: - Suppose you had killed 22 July, you should then have been given status as a saint?

11:29 Breivik: - No, I would not. Now show you something I've written about in the compendium. The example you show is that we seek recognition for our actions.

11:29 Holden: - So you think that you should not have been given status as a saint?

11:29 Breivik: - It is unreasonable that church leaders do not support us. They are a bunch of hypocrites who lack backbone.

11:30 Breivik: - There are militant priests, including in Egypt. They advocate crusade, but they are ignored.

11:32 Holden continues the compendium, and points out that under the title "Ridderjustituarius - Martyrdom vs. Suicide" listed various types of death leads to martyrdom.

11:34 Breivik: - It is to start a debate that can add a debate that will lay the foundation for Christian resistance. But if you take it out of context, so it looks absurdly out.

11:34 Holden: - Do you think it seems bizarre when I read what you wrote?

11:34 Breivik: - For people who do not know the compendium, it seems bizarre.

11:35 Holden refers to the compendium, which included part of the church's relationship with indulgences, underground exemption from punishment.

11:36 Holden read from the compendium which says that KT is defending Christianity and Christian martyrs. It also says that they automatically have access to heaven.

11:37 Breivik seems upset that Holden simply removing the parts from the compendium.

11:37 Breivik: - The basis of these themes are taken up .. One must have great knowledge of militant Islamism, to apply them for militant nationalism.

11:38 Breivik: - It is important to explain, and not take things out of context.

11:38 Holden: - What you say here in court, it is affected by it are four psychiatrists in front of you?

11:39 Breivik: - Of course. I run the risk of ending up in the madhouse, and will fight to not do it.

11:39 Breivik: - But this is a theological debate, and part of our history.

11:39 Holden: - I have some questions related to the uniform.

11:40 Holden: - My motives for taking up things, I keep to myself. The roles of the court is that I question, you can choose to answer or not.

11:40 Breivik: - your motives are obvious.

11:40 Holden: - Can you tell us about the circumstances when the picture was taken?

11:40 Breivik: - It was in Court Road, I took it myself with a digital camera.

11:41 Holden: - Were you home alone?

11:41 Holden: - When was it taken?

11:41 Breivik: - I will not contribute to my own character murder.

11:41 Holden: - Why was it taken at night?

11:41 Breivik: - I will not contribute to the mockery.

11:41 Holden: - How did you feel when the picture was taken?

11:42 Breivik: - I have tried to add the contribution to a match that will be for decades. Medals and uniforms are a hundred points that it was appropriate to disclose.

11:42 Holden: - Are you satisfied with how the uniform looks like?

11:42 Breivik: - Yes.

11:42 Holden refers to the questioning, which Breivik has said he has great respect for the uniform.

11:42 Breivik: - It represents something that it takes several years to complete.

11:43 Breivik have a screen in front of them where there is a picture of the uniform prosecution shows.

11:43 Holden: - What is the purpose of this garment?

11:43 Breivik: - The intention is to use it in a propaganda context of a trial.

11:43 Breivik: - Basically, I wanted it.

11:43 Holden: - Do you really have this uniform on you in court? Now?

11:44 Breivik: - Now, both the judges, prison and police its own strategy, so I've got a clear message that it was not possible.

11:44 Holden: - I just noted that you have not asked about it in connection with the main proceedings.

11:44 Breivik: - Given that there is an evaluation going on, it might not be tactically using it.

11:45 Holden: - Also in this area, the choice is influenced by psychiatrists in front of you?

11:45 Breivik: - I have thought about it yes.

11:45 Holden: - Shoulder boards on the uniform. Can you tell how the symbolism is built?

11:45 Breivik: - It is not called the shoulder boards, it's called epaulettes.

11:46 Holden: - What is the symbol in the middle?

11:46 Breivik: - It is a cross. It is purchased in a mason shop.

11:46 Holden,: - Have you thought any of the number of cross?

11:46 Breivik: - I suggest that you continue your monologue ..

11:46 Holden: - It is a cross here. Are there situations where it could be two or three?

11:47 Breivik: - Under other circumstances I could have been more interested in using the uniform. If I was not in danger of being sent to madhouse.

11:47 Holden cites various symbols from the Breivik explained in police questioning.

11:48 Breivik: - It is important to explain to the judges that this section regarding a proposed award system. I ask that you make you aware of the compendium as a whole, when the prosecutor takes everything out of context.

11:48 Breivik adopting a didactic tone when he explains the compendium and use of symbols.

11:49 Holden: - As I read out the number of attached cross titles. Can you tell us what is in the titles?

11:49 Breivik: - It is not an existing system. You need to mention it as such. There is a proposal for future systems. It is unfair of you to not specify it.

11:50 Breivik: - The same goes for the titles.

11:50 Engh: - I think everyone here has been fast that there is a suggestion. What we wonder is what is your proposal?

11:51 Breivik: - In the compendium describes some suggestions. If others have access to the compendium think that it is ridiculous and must be less pompous, it's okay.

11:51 Holden quotes from police interrogation in which the hierarchy of KT is described. - How did you find this?

11:52 Breivik: - It is from the original KT which is maintained by an organization called Freemasonry. It is the only organization today which has continued much of this.

11:52 Holden: - We have realized that you put the marks before you performed the operation 22 July. Can you tell why?

11:53 Breivik: - The picture is just an illustration to show how it will look like in practice.

11:54 Breivik: - If you want to use a similar uniform in a lawsuit, you have to buy it after you are arrested. I had bought it beforehand, and marks symbolize the accolades I would have for a mission.

11:54 Holden: - Was it all the accolades you have received?

11:54 Breivik: - I have not received all the accolades there. One is for damage, and the other for martyrdom.

11:55 Holden: - You said you decided in 2006 to carry out a violent act.

11:57 Holden refers to statements from poltiiavhør. Three sites, he says that he has dreaded this for two years. In another interview he said that he had dreaded the day in two years.

11:57 Holden: - If this decision for a violent action was decided in 2006, what is the reason you never once in these four cases, talking about that you have dreaded to action in five years?

11:58 Breivik: - I started thinking about Utøya only in the last two years.

11:59 Breivik: - I remember that I said it. And it was because the military phase started two years earlier. When I was in a completely different mode. When I was living not in fear, even though I knew it would come one day.

11:59 Breivik: - It was a much more intimate feeling.

11:59 Holden: - Does this mean that you will not dread to the government building?

12:00 Breivik: - One dreaded to sacrifice themselves, and I figured that I would die after the first goal.

12:00 Holden: - You said you had dreaded to Utøya for two years. Considered to Utøya goal already in 2009?

12:00 Breivik: - I started getting the anxiety by taking I began to plan the military action.

12:00 The court has taken the lunch break to watch 13

12:56 Court participants are beginning to adopt courtroom 250 in Oslo Courthouse after the break.

12:57 The four experts were in place, as are the state lawyers Prosecute the case.

12:58 Breivik's defenders have also taken place.

13:00 Terror defendant Behring Anders Breivik is led into the courtroom.

13:01 The court is set.

13:01 Defender Geir Lippestad acquires questioning.

13:02 Lippestad: - How do you see yourself and your role in the struggle that be?

13:03 Breivik - I had no plans after 22 July because I saw it as a suicide action. I helped through the compendium and through action.

13:03 Lippestad: - Do you see yourself as a ruler, Napoleon, a leader?

13:04 Breivik: - I am a third-generation resistance fighter. The difference between me and others is that I let myself be inspired by al-Qaeda.

13:04 Lippestad: - Have you looked at yourself as a foot soldier all the time, or is it something you said to satisfy the experts?

13:04 Breivik: - I have looked at me like it all the time, and it's in the compendium.

13:05 Lippestad reads from interrogations in which Breivik says he is a "Commander" - I see myself as a foot soldier, nothing else.

13:05 Lippestad: - This foot soldier and commander. It sounds like two different tasks. Do you see that there are two different tasks?

13:05 Breivik: - What I've written about in the compendium, cell commander. It is one that is strong enough to run a campaign alone.

13:06 Lippestad: - A cell. What characterizes it?

13:06 Breivik: - You can carry the operation alone.

13:07 Lippestad: - When you hear that the Parliament should be dissolved. If you have a realistic perception of what you stand in. realized that "a list of requirements" were real, or was it unrealistic?

13:07 Breivik: - I have said all along. I just passed it as a reality.

13:07 Lippestad: - Do you remember what you said at the first hearing on this claim?

13:08 Lippestad refers to the hearing where the accused says he knows that this is a formality, since we know it will never acknowledge.

13:08 Lippestad: - What was the next list of requirements?

13:08 Breivik: - I would have access to a computer with word. It got me.

13:08 Lippestad: - The 23 July and now understood that "a list of requirements' were unrealistic?

13:08 Breivik: - Yes, I understood. It is described as such in the compendium.

13:09 Lippestad: - Where are you from you to tell it as a formality?

13:10 Breivik: - Many people forget that they are fighting for an overarching goal, to seize power in the future.

13:10 Lippestad: - You say the future. Are we talking about a year, ten years? What is the future in this respect?

13:10 Breivik: - For militant nationalists have been fighting since World War II. We fight for conservative principles, and we will continue.

13:11 Breivik: - People who dismiss the possibility will be surprised.

13:11 Lippestad: - You talk about the future and the impact of this in the future. When you performed the actions you did. Did you have any thoughts on what the short-term effects could be?

13:12 Breivik: - The goal was to distribute the compendium, and I did. The aim to provoke a witch hunt was also achieved. The third goal was to make the manager responsible.

13:12 Lippestad: - You have 23 July explained what you thought the short-term political impact would be.

13:13 Breivik: - I was expecting a massive persecution and short-term decline.

13:13 Lippestad: - Was there anyone who would prosper?

13:13 Breivik: - In the short term would it affect the choices and the Labor Party would go forward.

13:13 Lippestad quote from the interview. Breivik thought it was okay to be a monster in the short term and that he expected that Labor would make a good choice.

13:14 Lippestad: - Why you said that Labor would be a good choice?

13:14 Breivik: - It is easy to predict that Labor would get much sympathy. It was an attack on the party, and it's natural that they get sympathy.

13:14 Lippestad: - What assessments are made on the duration of sympathy?

13:15 Breivik: - sympathy goes over in 2-3 years. Immediately after the operation would start a witch hunt. It was exactly what happened. Marks increased drastically, and it will lead to increased polarization.

13:15 Lippestad: - This that Labor would make a good choice. Was it something you thought before action 22 July?

13:15 Breivik: - It was considered the time before the action.

13:16 Breivik: - But I do not consider the municipal elections as important at all.

13:17 Breivik: - al-Qaeda attack in Madrid led to a change of government and they pulled troops out of Afghanistan.

13:17 Lippestad: - A little about your assessment of al-Qaeda and people who have been important to them. You have previously said that there is a pattern of organization.

13:17 Breivik: - The objective is to deport all the Muslims out of Europe, but we have much to learn from al-Qaeda.

13:18 Lippestad Breivik please explain how he knows of Sayyid Qutb.

13:19 Breivik: - After the Second World War was inserted leaders who should rule, while the Islamists want control of their own country. Qutb was used for the resistance movement for militant Islam.

13:19 Lippestad: - Do you know how many books he has published?

13:19 Breivik: - There are a number of books.

13:20 Breivik: - Revolutionary writers look at the Qutb of a power in Europe as well. We have much to learn.

13:20 Lippestad: - He gave at the end of his life out a manifesto in which he summed up his thoughts and ideology.

13:21 Breivik: - I am quite familiar with it. That's why we try to do something similar in Europe.

13:21 Lippestad: - Did you read that he had issued a manifesto before you started making your manifesto?

13:21 Breivik: - I have not heard of that particular term, but have heard about the work.

13:21 Lippestad: - Where did you get the knowledge he from?

13:22 Breivik: - Through the internet, and Wikipedia. Although the Wikipedia article may be deficient, one can get tips for further references.

13:22 Lippestad: - You talk Knigths Templar and the original Knights Templar. Can you explain the difference?

13:23 Breivik: - The expansion of Islam from the 600s, they began to submit to the European countries. They came all the way to Paris. The pope and other church leaders initiated a crusade to stop Islam. They called themselves the Knights Templar.

13:24 Lippestad: - Is it from the original tempelriiderne these coins are aimed at?

13:24 Breivik: - There are symbols and texts from the original.

13:24 Lippestad: - You say openly that you express yourself in such a manner and act in a way that you will not be considered insane by those who consider you.

13:25 Lippestad: - Why would there be a risk that you could end up in lunatic asylums you bore uniform now?

13:26 Breivik: - It is a good question. If I had been a bearded jihadist, I had not received any report. Then there had been no need for such an assessment. I will be exposed to delegitimization and little understanding. It is clear racism.

13:26 Lippestad: - Let's say you had been allowed to set in uniform. So had you done your assessment. Why would it be smart, and why it would have been stupid?

13:27 Breivik: - It should not matter, because it is a tradition for the use of uniform. There's nothing special in it.

13:27 Lippestad: - You said somewhere that it might not be so smart to set in uniform, when the experts will consider you.

13:27 Breivik: - When I know that those considering I have little knowledge of the ideology that one could add up to ... one should not tempt fate. It may seem a little crazy.

13:27 Lippestad: - A little megalomania?

13:28 Breivik: - It is just to continue a tradition.

13:28 Breivik: - If a bearded jihadist had been behind 22 July had not been appointed experts.

13:29 Lippestad: - Over the Utøya. You said that all forces fought against. Can you try to sit back and say the reviews you did before you shot Thurs the 1st person?

13:30 Breivik: - When I came to the first, it was extremely difficult. It was only as far as I did.

13:30 Lippestad: - What was it that made you managed it?

13:31 Lippestad refers to the police statement in which Breivik said he had two plans if he was paralyzed. One was to put on your iPod. It was three in front of him that he could be neutralized. - Did the assessment out there, remember?

13:32 Breivik: - It was impossible to set to music then. I was in dialogue with both. It had been strange if I put on the ipod.

13:32 Lippestad: - You also said the inspection that by putting the music they could easily have neutralized you ...

13:32 Lippestad: - The strategy to put the music you rated as a danger to yourself?

13:32 Breivik: - Absolutely. I was always aware that there were five people around me.

13:32 Breivik: - I had arranged to fail.

13:33 Lippestad: - You did not put on your iPod. But you used a different strategy. Can you tell us about it and how you got it?

13:34 Lippestad says Breivik said the explanation was thinking about what would happen if Muslims took over Oslo and Norway. That he thought that Norway's future was dependent on him, to psyche himself up.

13:34 Breivik: - That's why you are fighting ..

13:34 Lippestad: - How long did you spend on assessments?

13:34 Breivik: - It was just a few seconds.

13:35 Lippestad: - Was this something you had trained?

13:35 Breivik: - I had tried to practice it, but it was impossible to do.

13:35 Lippestad: - You said the prosecutor's questions that you would not shoot the boat crew. What was the reason why you would not do it?

13:36 Breivik: - The reason was that one should not harm civilians, who had no affiliation to a party.

13:36 Breivik: - It was because of conscience. But I knew it was foolish to let the boat escape, because it then could have been taken by Delta.

13:37 Lippestad: - You have said what was the plan, if you encountered Brundtland. When you discovered that she was not there. What assessments did you do?

13:38 Breivik: - When I realized it, I thought that the secondary target is the primary goal. When she was not there, they were the target.

13:38 Lippestad: - It sounds mechanical out. Thinking about something, it is despair that comes, anger?

13:38 Breivik - I knew there was a chance that she was there, so I looked for her when I was walking around.

13:39 Lippestad: - One thing I wondered about was that you said you remember little after the first two murders. You tell a lot about where you went, etc. Are you still of the opinion that you remember little from that day?

13:40 Breivik: - It took time to recreate the memories. There have been a reconstruction of the event. But I remembered very little in the past.

13:40 Arntzen: - Did you say earlier today that you had something of the case presentation of documents in the case?

13:40 Breivik: - Right after 22 July was a lot I do not remember. I have not had time to read a lot of the police interrogation.

13:40 Arntzen: - When you Friday had no follow-up statement from the prosecutor, what you based it on?

13:41 Breivik: - When the brain is exposed to trauma, hiding the memories. I had to recreate the memories.

13:41 Lippestad: - Judge, there are extensive interviews and there is little he says different now compared to the questioning.

13:42 Lippestad: - I want you over to bell rang. We have heard those two phone calls. It is difficult to understand that you went after you called after surrender.

13:42 Lippestad: - When you called the first time, did you know that they could not see your phone number?

13:42 Breivik: - I did not.

13:43 Lippestad: - What were you thinking after you had put on then?

13:43 Breivik - I waited for them to call me, I thought I was going to continue until they called.

13:43 Lippestad: - Why would you continue to the caller?

13:44 Lippestad: - When they called back. Reflected something about it?

13:44 Breivik: - I called both for a total of ten times, but only got through twice.

13:44 Breivik - I thought maybe I should continue until I die.

13:45 Lippestad: - Could it have been one of the reasons why you continued to kill?

13:45 Lippestad: - You said you heard and saw a helicopter coming over your head. What did you think that was?

13:46 Breivik - I thought it was a sniper in the helicopter came. I hid me under the tree tops.

13:46 Breivik: - I thought to shoot, but then I thought that it was the police who were the enemy. So I do not loose shots.

13:47 Breivik responded affirmatively to one of the reasons why he continued to kill after the phone calls, may have been that the police did not call back.

13:47 Breivik: - There was much that could happen. I knew that someone could hide with a stick or stone, and easy to neutralize me.

13:48 Lippestad: - You have explained that you thought all that was on Utøya was over 16 years. What you build it?

13:48 Breivik: - I have been involved in a youth party, and as far as I remember was the age of 16 years there.

13:48 Lippestad: - You took the lives of several people who were under 16. You said it was hard to do the assessments out there ...

13:48 Breivik: - There were not many. There were seven plus two who were under 16

13:49 Breivik: - It was impossible to assess. But on two occasions I saw people who looked so disheveled that they could be 16 years.

13:50 Lippestad: - You said in your testimony that you went on autopilot. When you saw those young people. One or two shot you. How do you explain it to the autopilot?

13:50 Breivik: - The problem is that it fails to recognize the person because the person was often turned away from me. Then it is difficult to see facial features.

13:51 Lippestad: - If you were to kill everyone who was out there and shoot everything you see. When you stop the two times you do not shoot. What did you think the moment you decided not to shoot?

13:51 Breivik: - It is because they are as young.

13:51 Lippestad: - You talked to him first and said that it goes well. It remember?

13:51 Breivik: - Yes.

13:52 Lippestad: - You said you thought you had a lighter that you would use to light the buildings. Can you remember what you thought when you were through his pockets for the lighter?

13:53 Breivik: - The reason I gave up trying to find the lighter was that I thought it was enough. The goal was to use the shooting to get people on the water.

13:53 Lippestad: - You said that you would get people to run the water and drown. Did you do any reviews of the people would drown?

13:54 Breivik - I figured that it was unlikely that people would get over. I knew it was about 600 meters at its shortest.

13:54 Lippestad: - It was mentioned a plane. An alternative plan to escape from the island by air. What type of aircraft was involved?

13:54 Breivik: - It was a cessna aircraft from Fornebu.

13:55 Breivik: - I thought about putting a seaplane that in advance and then fly out of the country after the attack.

13:55 Breivik: - It would require a lot of resources.

13:55 Lippestad: - Another possibility, if you would come from the island, had to swim ashore. Thinking about it?

13:56 Breivik: - No. It is not possible to escape such a big act. The police are so competent that they would never escaped. The only way to escape is to be killed.

13:56 Lippestad: - You have shown the uniform you had made, as we have seen police uniform you had made. Why did you Utøya police uniform?

13:57 Breivik: - It was to get to the island. I used it also to approach people without that they ran away.

13:58 Breivik: - The purpose was to infiltrate and confuse. But the primary goal was to get across to the island.

13:58 Lippestad: - You told me last week that you created a repository at the main house. Why was it important?

13:58 Breivik: - It is important to find a safe place where they were not exposed to snipers.

13:59 Breivik: - It had been planned in advance. There is general information relating to military operations. I had seen it on aufs pages and seen hundreds of images from the tenant.

14:00 Breivik - I knew where I could hide, and the angles that could be used by Delta.

14:00 The defense finished questioning. Aid lawyers take over the questioning.

14:00 Lawyer Siv Hallgren: - Did you know there were people who hid in the toilets?

14:01 Breivik: - I assumed that people were hiding everywhere, but it was not as tactically to go in there. The reason was that if you are a person who enters a room, they could have found a blunt object and attacked.

14:02 Breivik: - I would follow the flow of people, and it was out of the cafe building.

14:02 Hallgren: - Inside the little hall, several were killed, can you remember if you saw an African girl there?

14:02 Breivik: - No, I do not remember.

14:02 Hallgren: - Inside the Great Hall, you can remember anything about the furniture segment there?

14:02 Breivik: - I remember a pole, which I later heard a speaker. I remember a piano, but it has been shown to be in Little Hall.

14:03 Hallgren: - Did you think all that was left in the cafe building was dead?

14:03 Breivik: - Yes, I thought.

14:03 Hallgren: - Wondered who survived there, you?

14:03 Breivik: - No, that is. Or course, one can say that.

14:03 Hallgren: - What do you think about it?

14:03 Breivik: - It is natural to try it.

14:03 Hallgren: - Were you annoyed?

14:03 Breivik: - No, absolutely not. It's very natural to do so.

14:04 Hallgren: - Why was it not enough to just disarm them?

14:04 Breivik: - When I come to what I talked about earlier. It was not enough to blow up the mailbox to Big Mountain. I decided that it should be done that way.

14:04 Hallgren: - Did you know that it was the Norwegian People's Aid, who had medical guard on Utøya?

14:04 Breivik: - No.

14:04 Hallgren: - Norwegian People's Aid has ever been a goal for you?

14:05 Breivik: - Norwegian People's Aid Management is a part of the asylum lobby, trying to get as many asylum seekers to Norway. The goal is for me.

14:05 Hallgren: - She was active in the Pentecostal church. Was it necessary to kill her?

14:05 Breivik: - Oh, was she? When she was an innocent civilian.

14:06 Breivik: - I did not notice her uniform.

14:06 Hallgren: - You asked for excuses to the family of Kai Hauge. At the reception work, a student who had a summer job. What do you think about it?

14:07 Breivik: - I think that the Norwegian media has been poor at communicating all the threats, which has warned that there would be an attack against the Government buildings. When you still choose to work there, you have to take responsibility for it. But it is the Norwegian media's fault.

14:07 Hallgren: - Some excuses from you, can she expect? What about the survivors of her standing next to the fountain?

14:08 Breivik: - She is part of the ministries?

14:08 Hallgren: - No

14:08 Breivik: - I have no information.

14:08 Hallgren: - Not all those in high-rise building worked in the ministries. Some were there at the meetings, what do you think about it?

14:08 Breivik: - I have no further comment on this.

14:09 Hallgren: - There were 75 people in the street outside ...

14:09 Breivik: - If I have information that there were civilian people there, so I will regret it.

14:09 Hallgren: - There were many who were in the city center, which has received complaints of this ...

14:09 Hallgren: - Then there's the child. He has seen you execute five people. Is it not natural that this child gets apology from you?

14:10 Breivik: - What I hear is that all the associated ministries should give a big apology to my sisters who are raped by Muslims. This will continue.

14:10 Hallgren: - You say you can not take you all over the fates, to survive. Why is it important for you to survive?

14:10 Breivik: - I have not said. But basically, I have sworn to fight until I die, and I will do.

14:11 Lawyer Frode Elgesem: - When you parked the car on the pier in the country side did you take off your armor. Why?

14:12 Breivik:-It weighs many pounds. When one is in front of Government buildings you expect to be shot. You need pockets for carrying ammunition.

14:12 Elgesem: - You knew that the government quarter was not successful, then you needed Utøya?

14:12 Elgesem: - It would be a pretty bad ending for your part if you were defeated on the pier. What did you think was most likely that you met on the pier?

14:12 Breivik: - Yes. I took a calculated risk. I thought it would be an armed patrol there.

14:13 Breivik: - I expected that. But I chose to not have armaments there.

14:13 Elgesem read from the police interrogation that Breivik has testified that he knew what awaited him there, but calculated that there were police called.

14:14 Elgesem: - Without armor had perhaps not been as great opportunity to defeat an entire delta-team?

14:14 Breivik: - magazine serves as an armor, to some extent.

14:14 Elgesem: - You learned to patrol the island?

14:14 Breivik: - She said there were no guards there. In addition, there was a police officer there, who had no police powers.

14:15 Elgesem: - Did you know what was routine when AUF-ers came to the island?

14:15 Breivik: - Bosei said AUFerene had been searched for weapons.

14:15 Elgesem: - When you came to Utøya, did you know that there were armed guards and probably nobody out there who have weapons?

14:15 Breivik: - votes, with the exception of sticks and stones and blunt objects.

14:16 Elgesem: - Regarding your plan to use water as weapons of mass destruction. You would use the weapon to scare young people to enjoy a swim and then drown. Was it then necessary to kill to achieve the plan?

14:17 Breivik: - The plan was to shoot, and used it as a detonator. The plan was to shoot as many as possible.

14:17 Elgesem: - When you shoot so many inside the cafe building, it is what's the plan?

14:17 Breivik: - Yes, that's right.

14:18 Elgesem: - When you're at the pump house, you're trying to lure kids cv, not scare them. Is that correct?

14:18 Breivik: - The plan was to shoot as many as possible.

14:18 Elgesem refers to police interrogation where Breivik has explained that in connection with the pump house he passed several people so that they would not escape.

14:19 Breivik: - Yes, that's right.

14:19 Elgesem: - You say that it was not your purpose to kill someone under the age of 18. When you hit this little boy, so did you find out that he could be 16 years. He was 9 years old then. Was there anyone you puzzled about?

14:20 Breivik: - There was also another.

14:20 Breivik: - If I had seen the faces, it would probably have been more.

14:21 Elgesem shows for questioning where Breivik said he believes there is a law that says that members of political youth box must be over 16 years, and that the average age was 22-23 years. - Did you ever what it was lower?

14:21 Breivik - I calculated that the average age was 23-24 years. But it was difficult to assess age.

14:22 Elgesem: - Did you do some research around the 16-year limit? You said you studied the topography of the island and stuff ...

14:22 Elgesem: - Have you investigated aufs sites?

14:22 Breivik: - I have looked at the website, but found no information on age.

14:22 The court has taken 20 minutes break. The court is again 1440.

14:32 It is expected that this pause is Dagne last break in the trial.

14:34 After that aid lawyers have completed their part of the questioning, the experts have an opportunity to ask the defendant questions.

14:39 The court actors begin to take place in the courtroom.

14:41 Breivik enters the courtroom 250 for the last time today.

14:42 The court is set.

14:43 Lawyer Frode Elgesem: - Breivik, questions from Hallgren before the break you said that the decision to carry out the operation in this way was taken in late June. Were the plans for Utøya clear then?

14:43 Breivik: - Yes, that's right. Plans for Utøya were ready in advance.

14:44 Elgesem: - Included the plans as the use of police uniform?

14:44 Breivik: - The plans were three car bombs, but Utøya was a backup plan. The uniform should I use anyway.

14:45 Elgesem: - When you call the police after having committed 40 murders out there, it is then that you had done enough to spread the knowledge of the compendium and start a witch hunt for cultural conservatives?

14:46 Breivik: - There were four lenses.

14:46 Elgesem: - Was it still the case that you wanted to make these kids responsible?

14:47 Breivik: - At the time I was very uncertain. The plan was a bit not to stop until I had to stop.

14:47 Elgesem: - You have previously said that it had to be at least 12 killings to get enough attention?

14:47 Breivik: - To create shock waves in the Nordic countries, it would be more than twelve dead and more than fifty to create shock waves in Europe.

14:48 Breivik: - There are no children. All except two were adults and all were political activists.

14:48 Elgesem: - How can some of AUF-founders have been in Category B in your manifest?

14:49 Elgesem: - How can these participants at the summer camp to be responsible for the policy you think is wrong?

14:49 Breivik: - The main goals were SKUP and Labor's national conference. But when that was not possible, I had to choose the best political goal.

14:50 Breivik comes with brief smile as he argues.

14:50 Elgesem: - A clean eighteen cash, then?

14:50 Breivik: - Despite the fact that I worked as hard as I could, I was not finished before the summer holiday. PST makes it impossible to work more together, and then you have to make the best out of it.

14:50 Elgesem: - You say that Eskil Pedersen was a goal. Did you know what he looked like?

14:50 Breivik: - Yes, I knew well how he looked.

14:51 Elgesem: - So you have more children than Sydspissen nine years old?

14:51 Breivik: - Can you define the child?

14:51 Elgesem: - Did you see one at about the same age?

14:51 Breivik: - I saw him and another boy who was under 16

14:52 Elgesem: - When you shot in the water. Did you know there was an age of eight shots in your line?

14:52 Breivik: - No.

14:52 Elgesem: - In connection with his arrest that the police thought it might be emotionally unstable, and that management could be there, which could cause you killed. Where did you take the wrong.

14:53 Breivik: - I did not really wrong. It was very chaotic. When martial law, one must take into account everything.

14:53 Elgesem: - Are you surprised today by the way you were treated?

14:53 Breivik: - Yes, I'm surprised.

14:54 Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: - In the spring of 2011. Mailed to when the government building and made death threats against AUF or others?

14:54 Breivik: - Yes, the warning that I called in before? No, it was not me.

14:54 Larsen: - Were you in contact prior to 22 July?

14:54 Breivik: - No.

14:55 Larsen: - Three young lawyers sitting nearby when the bomb went off in the government quarter. They deserve to die?

14:55 Breivik: - I took the view that everyone would die, and that the building would collapse.

14:55 Breivik: - High density housing is the most attractive target.

14:55 Larsen: - You hit none of the ones you had planned?

14:56 Breivik: - Yes, I did. It hit no one in category A, but the attempt was to do it.

14:56 Larsen: - On a Friday in the joint at half-past four had the plan to frame some of what you call A-forædere?

14:56 Breivik: - It was not possible because of public holidays.

14:57 Larsen: - So you specifically for people with different ethnic backgrounds in Love trail?

14:57 Breivik: - No, I did not. Is there anything I stand for as it indicates?

14:58 Breivik: - We want to deport Muslims. A part from Africa and Asia will also be sent out.

14:58 Larsen: - Why did you kill those with different ethnic background Utøya?

14:58 Breivik: - They were there they were, on an equal basis with others.

14:59 Larsen: - A girl iigger on your stomach with your arms forward. Do you think she was like waiting to get shot? Describes the young people to make small and pitiful?

14:59 Breivik: - Absolutely not. The problem with the pictures I got from the police is that it is edited positions.

15:00 Larsen: - Did you think that it is likely that people put up against the fence waiting to be shot?

15:00 Breivik: - I do not know. I do not remember.

15:00 Larsen: - The house at the Pump was killed late in the course. How do you think young people who had it before they were shot?

15:01 Breivik: - I think they had to swim, if they thought that someone would shoot them. This means that perhaps they were not afraid of being shot.

15:01 Larsen: - How do you think it goes with their psyche when you try to lure them out?

15:02 Breivik: - They were both terrified. It must have been the most horrific in life them. There must be a nightmare. I know what I would have thought I would be scared too.

15:02 Larsen: - Can you say 22 July or later if you have known what it is like to be terrified. How has it?

15:03 Breivik: - It has been agony. It is the mode in which one is traumatized. I was in the same mode. The brain perceives it as if you are attacked.

15:03 Larsen: - Do you have any explanation as to why you end up back at yourself when you are asked how others might have been?

15:03 Breivik: - Whether to describe other, so one must start with themselves.

15:04 Breivik - I know I have suffered many suffering. And there's nothing I can do to make about it.

15:04 Breivik smiled briefly when he says he has caused many people suffering.

15:04 Larsen: - What do I mean when I talk about boating?

15:04 Breivik: - There were those who tried to catch up AUFere.

15:04 Larsen: - Why did you shoot the boat people?

15:04 Breivik: - I tried to scare them away.

15:05 Breivik: - I shot to scare them away, but when they drove away, I shot the boat.

15:05 Larsen: - Can you tell us about the danger you put the boat people and those who rescued children out there in?

15:05 Breivik: - I wanted to scare, but then I shot the boat.

15:05 Larsen: - Was this a legitimate target?

15:06 Breivik: - They had their own interests, and my interest was to prevent them from doing so.

15:06 Larsen: - You say it was cruel, but necessary Utøya. Witnesses have said that you lo ...

15:06 Larsen: - Have you read the interviews on the matter?

15:06 Breivik: - Yes, but it is not true.

15:07 Breivik: - No, why should I read the interviews? It was completely awful out there.

15:07 Larsen read from interrogations in which a girl talks about laughter.

15:07 Breivik: - It is not true that I laughed or smiled when I was there.

15:08 Breivik: - I am aware of when I smile. Dear Yvonne Larsen, on my brain perceive that I am under attack, why should I laugh?

15:08 Breivik clearly annoyed that three witnesses have said he is part of Utøya.

15:09 Breivik: - A girl wrote it on his blog, and it has spread.

15:09 Larsen: - Can you elaborate what we saw here lynsjestemning 25 July?

15:09 Breivik's defenders are discussing intensely.

15:09 Breivik: - It's just watching the evening news, 25 July where people call me to die.

15:09 Larsen: - Was it not the 25th July that it was rosetog here?

15:10 Larsen: - Did you experience lynsjestemning against you?

15:10 Breivik: - Just watch the evening news that day.

15:10 Larsen: - What did you think about Rose trains that day?

15:10 Breivik: - It is a typical Norwegian action, where it is not allowed to be angry.

15:10 Larsen: - Was there a line in the bill that it was not roses and hatred?

15:11 Breivik: - People must be allowed to react as you want, but I think probably the whole world was surprised.

15:11 Larsen: - Have you noticed any hatred or lynsjeutsagn during the main hearing?

15:11 Breivik: - I notice that people are good at controlling himself, and it is surprising. I had expected that people jumped over the railing and shouted.

15:11 Larsen: - Could it be that they do this deliberately, not to enter into the world you have established?

15:11 Breivik: - I think probably the whole world is amazed.

15:13 Larsen: - In the expert report No. 2, answer if you have created KT as a fiction?

15:13 Larsen: - What are the three options you launch?

15:13 Breivik: - There are three options: One is that what I say is correct, the other is a delusion, and the last thing that I am lying.

15:13 Breivik: - Everything I've said to the police voices.

15:14 Breivik: - I have explained it in a slightly pompous way.

15:14 Larsen: - What you are saying is that there is a small point is that it is a small point, which is blown up.

15:14 Breivik - I've said that I have been in contact with six pieces.

15:15 Larsen: - "He admits that the starting point for KT was sad," the ..

15:15 Breivik: - What I've said is that I have attached an identity to an action. Six individuals are a bit sad.

15:15 Larsen: - Many people wonder where this hatred comes to your from?

15:16 Breivik: - You talk about the ULEV injustice? I hate no one. A person who hates can not forgive. I will forgive as long as some change their mind. It's probably more of rage. When everything you love is taken from you.

15:16 Larsen: - Some wonder about your own background and childhood. Was your father a member of the Labour Party?

15:17 Breivik: - It is not about my childhood. I had a good childhood. He was not politically active at all.

15:17 Larsen: - Why would you not give us the opportunity to bring witnesses who can shed light on your childhood?

15:18 Breivik: - What's the point? It has nothing to do with 22 July. I come from a resource-rich and caring home, it could perhaps be the reason why I am here today.

15:18 Larsen: - On Friday when I asked if you were a coward, you asked whether the option was to meet the defense at the lake. Is there nothing in between this and what to shoot children?

15:18 Breivik clearly uncomfortable in the witness box.

15:19 Breivik: - Initially there were three car bombs that was the plan. It was not Utøya part of the plan. But it was impossible to make these bombs, and then I had to choose an option.

15:19 Larsen: - You were concerned about international law. What does Article 1 of the Convention as to what are the children?

15:19 Larsen: - All under 18 are children, Breivik.

15:19 Breivik: - What is the difference between children and young people? Anyway, it's like it is, and I had done it again.

15:20 Expert Agnar Aspaas: - What came first, avemosjonalisering or plans for the attacks?

15:20 Breivik: - The plans came first. Off emosjonaliseringen was just a tool.

15:20 Aspaas: - When you planned the murder, how was your emotional apparatus then?

15:20 Breivik: - It was normal.

15:21 Aspaas: - You said it was not so easy to implement the first killings of Utøya. Did not avemosjonaliseringen properly?

15:21 Breivik: - One must be able to suppress their feelings, it worked to some degree.

15:22 Prosecutors Engh: - You said you attached an identity to an action. What do you mean by that?

15:23 Breivik: - The identity of the Crusader's identity.

15:23 Engh: - did you after 2006 a new identity?

15:23 Breivik: - No.

15:23 Judge Arntzen: - When we're done with you yet.

15:23 Arntzen's court administrator.

15:24 Breivik traced back to the dock.

15:24 Arntzen: - We have some practical issues. First application on behalf of the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation broadcast the pool to be broadcast Breivik testimony to non-professional witnesses.

15:25 Arntzen: - I have opened a press representative may comment on this.

15:25 Aftenposten's Harald Stanghelle takes place in the witness box.

15:25 This part of the case is sent with sound and picture on TV 2 News Channel and the live center.

15:26 Stanghelle: - Out of respect for the court's time, I will not repeat the argument in the application.

15:27 Stanghelle: - In connection with this application may be submitted four torque. Picture of the defendant and his response in court has an independent information value. General public interest must outweigh any defendant's objections.

15:28 Stanghelle: - There is talk of sanctions that are designed to complement. We have seen the reactions of the accused have been important moments, including the screening last Monday. You all know that this is a special case with unique requirements for documentation.

15:29 Breivik smiles during Stanghelle posts.

15:29 Prosecutors Svein Holden: - The prosecution has not found grounds to oppose this.

15:30 Defender Lippestad: - We were in complete agreement with representatives of the press that the defendant's statement was broadcast. Now was not the case, then we believe that it gives a distorted representation that only certain reactions to certain testimony broadcast.

15:31 Lippestad: - We do not know what he will react, since we do not see the witness' testimony. His responses can then be taken completely out of context, when one does not see or hear it that explains it. The defendant has a clear perception that he did not want to be filmed in this context.

15:31 Larsen: - How is planning carried one do this?

15:32 Stanghelle: - It is obviously not the case that the reactions are taken out of context. There are reactions in open court, thus it is possible to render the statements it will be responded to.

15:32 Hallgren: - We oppose us. We know nothing about his reactions to the witnesses who come and fear that this will make it harder for them.

15:33 Larsen: - We are unsure how Breivik will use this situation.

15:33 Judge Arntzen: - The court will decide this before the court is tomorrow.

15:33 Arntzen: - The Court has received the forensic Commission assessment of the final expert report.

15:34 Heather reads the forensic Commission statement on the recent expert report.

15:35 The Commission requests that the committee requested a new assessment in some areas.

15:37 The experts bees for a detailed statement from the last experts.

15:37 Agnar Aspaas say they will issue it within a week.

15:38 Court testimony begins tomorrow.

15:39 The court is adjourned.

16:11 We end our live blog for the day and continue tomorrow from 08.30. Follow the press conference in the video window and the video log.

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