2012-04-27 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 10: Oslo Bomb Testimony:

2012-04-27 (TV2): Breivik Trial: Day 10: Oslo Bomb Testimony: Victim Survivors & Experts:

Kristian Rasmussen | Raasok Tore | 34 Yr Anon | Government Administration Services: Ole Peder Nordheim | Oslo Police Anon | Nurse Anon | DSS Guard Anon

Oslo District Court: #: 11-188627 MED-05 | 27 April 2012 | Breivik Report/TV2.NO

9:03 The witness Kristian Rasmussen takes the witness stand.
9:06 Prosecutors Holden: - What happened that day?
9:07 Rasmussen: - It was the last day before summer vacation, I was going to Stavanger. I had a meeting with my boss. I sent some text messages.

9:30 Next witness is Raasok Tore, who was on Johan Nygaardsvold space between high-rise building and Akersgata when it narrowly.
9:30 Raasok is Director of Communications.
9:31 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you tell us about what was happening 22/7?
9:35 Raasok: - The pond at the Johan Nygaardsvold place I heard a tremendous bang. I was not thinking toward terrorist bomb, but rather on the gas explosion.

10:42 Next witness is a 34-year-old man working in the ministries. He is not mentioned in the indictment.
10:43 Prosecutors Holden: - How did you experience that day?
10:44 Witness (34 years): - There were few people at work, I and some colleagues gathered in my section at about 13 for ice cream and drink coffee.

12:17 The first witness after the break is director Ole Peder Nordheim in Government Administration Services.
12:24 Nordheim, the safety manager in the government district, and resigned that position in March this year:
12:33 Prosecutors Holden: - Tell me about the job you had 22/7.
12:33 Nordheim: - I was head of security department of the DSS.

13:19 Next testifying on 22/7. He works as custody of the Oslo police.
13:20 The witness was in VG-building when the bomb exploded.

8:24 Good morning from Oslo District Court.

8:47 Kristian was in the second floor of the R4, in an office when the bomb against Grubbegaten narrow.

8:50 Court actors arrive Hall 250

9:00 The court is set, said court administrator Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen.

9:03 Prosecutors Holden says that more testimony is precipitated from Monday to today.

9:03 The witness Kristian Rasmussen (31) takes the witness stand.

9:06 Rasmussen says that the work was such that he could see the street where the bomb car parked.

9:06 Prosecutors Holden: - What happened that day?

9:07 Rasmussen: - It was the last day before summer vacation, I was going to Stavanger. I had a meeting with my boss. I sent some text messages.

9:07 Rasmussen: - For my part, it was black and the afternoon.

9:07 Prosecutors Holden: - What do you mean by that?

9:08 Rasmussen says that he remembers little from that day.

9:08 Rasmussen: - The last thing I remember I did was to send some text messages.

9:08 Rasmussen was twelve days in a coma after 22/7.

9:10 Rasmussen: - I was 1-1.5 hrs before I was found by firefighters. I had severe bleeding and a brain hemorrhage.

9:10 Rasmussen explains further for the other injuries he suffered. Prosecutors Holden refers to physician statements.

9:11 Prosecutors Holden: - How serious was it?

9:11 Rasmussen: - It was a hair.

9:12 Rasmussen said he came to the hospital in the last minute.

9:12 Prosecutors Holden cites a medical certificate stating that the injuries were life-threatening nature.

9:13 Rasmussen explains the operations he underwent in the aftermath.

9:14 Rasmussen: - I got pneumonia while I was in a coma.

9:15 Prosecutors Holden asks about other types of injuries, which fractures.

9:16 Rasmussen said that a bomb movie that was on the window prevented the glass was blown into the office, he found himself in.

9:17 Rasmussen tells of the great physical discomfort was related to the first time in the hospital.

9:19 Rasmussen: - 10 August, I moved to Sunnaas hospital. There I was tested. They concluded that I had escaped brain damage.

9:20 Rasmussen: - I have come away with great success. But I wish I had it without.

9:20 Rasmussen: - I received the best treatment in the world, I think.

9:22 Rasmussen says that he is now back in the NVE, he was on loan to the Ministry of Petroleum and Energy in the period before 22/7.

9:22 Rasmussen will be shown photos of hospital stay, as he lay in a coma.

9:23 Lawyer Siv Hallgren ask him to comment on the pictures he is shown.

9:25 Rasmussen laughs a little when he is shown a picture from one of his first trips in the outdoors, with family members.

9:26 Rasmussen: - I was identified in the hospital a little scar, I had no identification papers on me.

9:27 Rasmussen: - It is difficult to imagine how the family has had it this time.

9:27 Rasmussen is shown a picture of your office space where he was. The room was completely crushed.

9:29 Kristian Rasmussen finished his diploma.

9:30 Next witness is Tore Raasok, who was on Johan Nygaardsvold space between high-rise building and Akersgata when it narrowly.

9:30 Raasok is Director of Communications.

9:31 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you tell us about what was happening 22/7?

9:32 Raasok - I was at work, a normal working day in the joint. Last day at work before the holiday.

9:33 Raasok: - Before I did I finished, I went to the hairdresser to cut me. I opted for a drop in time.

9:34 Raasok: - I went down Grubbegaten and the Mills Street, where there is a hairdresser. But they could not cut me. I went the same route back to work.

9:35 Raasok: - The pond at the Johan Nygaardsvold place I heard a tremendous bang. I was not thinking toward terrorist bomb, but rather on the gas explosion.

9:35 Raasok: - Pressure wave hit me and threw me off tiltalls meters.

9:35 Raasok - I could not move and could not see anything. But I hear. I understand that I am seriously injured.

9:36 Raasok - I thought that it is not certain that I will survive. I'm terrified, and thinking of the family.

9:37 Raasok: - I am desperate and crying for help, someone to call my family.

9:38 Raasok: - Then it gradually over that I think about my own life. I cry for help and get help after 15-20 minutes. It is perceived as a very long time.

9:39 Raasok: - I was aware of until they came, and to the hospital.

9:39 Raasok - I arrive at Ullevål, and do not remember much of it. I kept artificially in a coma.

9:40 Raasok describes the injuries he suffered, he would have to amputate his left leg above the knee.

9:41 Raasok underwent 10 operations at Oslo University, before he was transferred to Sunnaas hospital for further treatment.

9:42 Raasok: - sight and hearing, as it was. I was lucky, but there has been an extensive process to get there where I am today.

9:43 Raasok: - It was critical, small margins, as I perceived it.

9:43 Raasok: - The weeks in intensive care was horrible.

9:45 Raasok: - I remember every nightmare. It was terribly tough spot.

9:46 Raasok: - Fear and anxiety came over me at regular intervals in the time after I had been in intensive care.

9:47 Raasok - I got a fantastic treatment at Ullevål, and a fantastic backing of family and colleagues.

9:48 Raasok - I got the princess at Ullevål visit, and the royal couple at Sunnaas. All this means a lot when you return.

9:49 Raasok: - I will still dagrehabilitering. It goes on to regain a good gait, and strength in the left arm.

9:50 Raasok: - It goes forward, and it has made all the way. I've been thinking positive all the way, although it has not always been so easy.

9:51 Raasok is still on sick leave from her job, but will come back.

9:52 Raasok: - I'm getting to much now, but is not completely self-reliant. Everyday life is different. Everything takes much time.

9:55 Raasok: - I was sheltered, and did not know about Utøya before it was gone almost three weeks.

9:55 Raasok - I reacted violently then, and wept. All the kids .... all the children who were killed on Utøya.

9:56 Raasok: - The first couple of months I could not remember the name of the defendant.

9:57 Prosecutors Engh: - How have the people in your workplace?

9:57 Raasok: - There are some who find it tough and difficult.

9:59 Raasok want to say something about his family's reactions: - It has been incredibly hard for my family. They were incredibly tough, they were afraid of losing me.

9:59 Raasok: - They are coming back now.

10:00 Tore Raasok finish his diploma. The court takes a break to clock 10.40.

10:38 The testimonies of the witnesses referred to the next in an anonymous form.

10:40 The court is set.

10:42 Next witness is a 34-year-old man working in the ministries. He is not mentioned in the indictment.

10:43 Prosecutors Holden: - How did you experience that day?

10:44 Witness (34 years): - There were few people at work, I and some colleagues gathered in my section at about 13 for ice cream and drink coffee.

10:45 Witness (34 years): - When the bomb went off, I heard heard a loud boom. I felt a pressure, breath went out of the lungs. I felt heat on his neck.

10:45 Witness (34 years): - I hear the movement of furniture, broken glass. I have a strong impression of broken glass.

10:46 Witness (34 years) - I realized at once that it was a bomb. I heard a yell that can not be described.

10:47 Witness (34 years): - I shop in a panic and run to the front door. It is stuck and will not open.

10:48 Witness (34 years): - I go to another section, where a colleague sitting. She collects cell phone, keys. I did not.

10:49 Witness (34 years): - The two go together to the elevator area of ??the stairwell. According to her, I looked out into thin air, I was probably in shock.

10:49 Witness (34 years): - ceiling had fallen down, we come to the entrance. It seems quite dark because the light has passed.

10:51 Witness (34 years): - On the floor is the building material and glass. I recognize one, and want to turn around and go back. I'm sure there will be a bomb or that I will be shot at.

10:51 Witness (34 years): - Outside, it seems as if it is empty of sound. I turn and look towards the tower block, I do not recognize the facade.

12:12 Right now break until at approx. 12.30

12:17 The first witness after the break is director Ole Peder Nordheim in Government Administration Services.

12:24 Nordheim, the safety manager in the government district, and resigned that position in March this year: http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/sikkerhetssjef-i-regjeringskvartalet-gaar-av-3733214.html

12:32 Nordheim has taken the witness stand.

12:33 Prosecutors Holden: - Tell me about the job you had 22/7.

12:33 Nordheim: - I was head of security department of the DSS.

12:34 Nordheim: - The department consists of a guard section, a concierge service, an occupational and a technical section.

12:35 Nordheim tells staff to DSS that day.

12:35 Nordheim: - For me it was 22/7 a very important day. I should have a late holiday.

12:35 Nordheim: - I was going to Jotunheimen with my daughter.

12:36 Nordheim: - I was ready to ride from work and looking forward enormously to go on that trip.

12:37 Nordheim: - I was in the Y-block, but this holiday was not at all as planned.

12:38 Nordheim: - My colleague shouted that there had been a bomb.

12:38 Nordheim: - Employees of the Ministry came running out in panic.

12:39 Nordheim: - I looked at the devastation, and I had to get people out. I ushered people out to the right, towards Akersgata.

12:39 Nordheim: - I called my wife, and had explained what had happened, and that it was good to me.

12:40 Nordheim: - From then on I went on autopilot.

12:40 Nordheim: - My concern was first and foremost up the block. Here it must be injured, I thought.

12:41 Nordheim: - As I announced my director and my section leaders and opened the office doors could be open, I saw that the devastation was worse the farther I got into.

12:42 Nordheim: - I kicked up several locked doors, I believe there were more than ten.

12:42 Nordheim: - I met a director general, it was absolutely quiet in the corridors.

12:43 Nordheim: - We found an employee behind a door, he had cuts. He was in better state of shock.

12:43 Nordheim: - We got him out to safety.

12:44 Nordheim: - I moved out of the Y-block and walked to the center of the disaster, by Einar Gerhardsen place.

12:44 Nordheim: - It was important to get checked out the status of our monitoring center. Then I saw the big hole after the bomb.

12:45 Nordheim: - I received a report on the monitoring station was still operational.

12:45 Nordheim: - I thought the two were in the lobby of the H-block.

12:46 Nordheim: - It was important for me to be present, without going into operational.

12:46 Nordheim: - I assisted towards the operational chain.

12:47 Nordheim: - I was repeatedly asked to leave because I was not in uniform.

12:48 Nordheim: - I said to one of the section chiefs that we had to establish a crisis response team.

12:48 Nordheim: - It was obvious that the situation of those who sat at the front desk was very serious.

12:49 Nordheim: - We took in the Supreme Court, it is probably the first time I have practiced civil disobedience.

12:50 Nordheim: - I got the first clear indication that one of the staff at reception were killed.

12:50 Nordheim: - I also hear that a seriously injured person was taken away from the reception area.

12:51 Nordheim: - We were then asked by police to leave the Supreme Court building (approximately 17.45).

12:52 Nordheim: - Still, we were not sure where we were, we went to a hotel where a meeting was opened for us.

12:53 Nordheim explains the crisis staff work in this phase.

12:54 Nordheim: - We were planning for a meeting the next morning.

12:54 Nordheim: - We were called home business psychologist from our vacation.

12:55 Nordheim: - We had to prepare ourselves to be on the mail the next day and the next day.

12:56 Nordheim: - Around midnight, I had to return to the monitoring center to check the status there. We took the back door.

12:56 Nordheim: - That which met me there was a shocking sight.

12:56 Nordheim: - We were able to handle the monitoring center on a show. Radio Connection came up again.

12:57 Nordheim: - The police were very keen to get the evidence, footage of the perpetrator.

12:58 Nordheim: - In this situation, with ten open ministry building and open the vault doors, safes, I asked about the emergency situation at the Public Construction.

12:59 Nordheim: - I got called back two guards there.

12:59 Prosecutors Holden: - How has it affected you?

13:00 Nordheim: - I was in a very rational bubble, never felt so strong then. The only thing I had no control over, it was emotional.

13:01 Nordheim: - I thought of my employees, some of them have experience in war zones before.

13:01 Nordheim: - I thought that for our part, this was the beginning of a challenging time.

13:02 Nordheim: - I was in the government quarter continuously for 8 days.

13:03 Nordheim: - We chose to remain in the Y-block.

13:03 Nordheim: - Security guards have been very good at taking care of each other.

13:04 Nordheim: - The relocation of the ministries have been demanding for DSS, we have also been confronted by the media.

13:05 Nordheim: - I will highlight the efforts of the operational personnel of DSS after 22/7.

13:07 Nordheim: - I went for the eight days abroad with my wife and daughter, and remembers little of this trip.

13:08 Nordheim talks about the expectations that have built up since, as he failed to fulfill.

13:08 Nordheim: - I made a decision 12 March, and asked my director to be released from my position.

13:09 Nordheim: - I got accepted, and was sick of my doctor.

13:10 Nordheim: - Page 12 March I have been keen to see the trial, there has been a great strain.

13:11 Nordheim: - I work hard to get me back, concern for me and my closest had to be put in front of the other.

13:11 Nordheim is asked how many security guards who were at work 22/7.

13:12 Nordheim: - In the narrow, there were 12 security guards and 17 reception guards in the ministries.

13:12 Nordheim: - 11 Desk guards were in the government quarter.

13:13 Defender Vibeke Hein Bæra asks procedures at DSS.

13:13 Bæra: - How are the routines for video surveillance, and transmission of suspicious observations?

13:14 Nordheim: - In certain situations, you can set up a transfer to the police.

13:14 Nordheim: - When it comes to cars parked outside, the parking is prohibited. This is something that happens fairly often.

13:15 Nordheim: - For me it was not a perpetrator at the time.

13:16 Bæra ask for identification of the perpetrator from the surveillance pictures.

13:16 Nordheim: - The moment the offender ran from the area, no one had seen the pictures.

13:17 Nordheim: - For me it was a shock, eight weeks after the incident, to see pictures of the perpetrator was made public.

13:17 Ole Peder Nordheim finish his explanation.

13:19 Next testifying on 22/7. He works as custody of the Oslo police.

13:20 The witness was in VG-building when the bomb exploded.

13:20 Witness: - It was hard to understand what happened. I did not hear any bang, I thought maybe it was an earthquake.

13:21 Witness: - I noticed that it started to drain blood from the head, I also had a cut in the ankle, but it was not something that was dangerous.

13:22 Witness: - I was helped out of Aker Street, and sat down outside the Ministry of Finance.

13:23 Witness: - As I was lodged on the bus, where I borrowed off the phone and got a call from the duty manager of the Oslo District Court.

13:23 Witness: - I called and then my sister and asked her to tell the family that I was ok.

13:24 The witness later received medical treatment, and had to remove a lot of glass shattering.

13:25 Witness: - I was back at work on 7th september.

13:26 Witness - I did not realize immediately that it was a bomb, but when I saw the surroundings, I realized it.

13:27 The witness has finished his explanation.

13:27 The court takes a break to clock 13.50.

13:46 Next witness is a woman who was in a car in Akersgata when it narrowly.

13:52 The witness is asked to take a seat in the witness box.

13:52 The witness is a trained nurse.

13:53 Prosecutors Holden: - Tell us about your experiences.

13:54 Witness: - I was in a car with my kids in Akersgata, and looked for a place to park.

13:54 Witness: - When we recorded the huge, metallic roar.

13:55 Witness: - The street in front of me was full of smoke or dust.

13:56 Witness: - There was something falling from the car, and I turned my back before it hit the windshield.

13:56 Witness: - The kids were panic in the back seat, they cried and screamed. The first thought we had been run over. I said I thought it was a bomb.

13:58 Witness: - I looked in the rearview mirror a car behind us, and thought that we had to get out. I backed out, and then out of town.

13:58 Prosecutors Holden asks how it goes with her children.

13:58 Witness: - They were terribly frightened at the time.

13:58 Witness: - The hardest part was that I could not reassure them.

13:59 Witness: - We had not driven far before one of them told me that we should not talk about it. Never talk about it.

13:59 Witness: - I said that we had enough to do, for a long time to come.

14:00 The witness said she chose to tell about what happened, that they would not have to form their own fantasies later.

14:01 The witness: - They settled down with that "he who does so has ill thoughts".

14:01 Breivik smiles when the woman says this.

14:02 Witness: - The children are afraid of unexpected sounds, they want adults to be home when they come from school.

14:03 Witness: - When they started school again, heard the eldest a rumor that when a dead were identified, it was by means of a ring that was on his finger.

14:06 The eldest thought much about it, says the mother. The eldest made his thoughts about how his father was identified them, if they had died.

14:06 Witness: - The oldest have changed their behavior, become less social, is different than before.

14:08 Witness: - I have thought so many thoughts about this, how this could change the lives of our family.

14:09 Witness - I also thought that I am a nurse, and left.

14:09 The witness tells how terror has also changed her behavior.

14:10 Witness: - I have a disturbance in the body of what it has done in the future. We were not damaged, but still ...

14:10 The witness finished his testimony.

14:11 Next witness was located at the junction Grubbegaten / limit when the bomb went off.

14:11 The witness is the chief guard.

14:12 Prosecutors Engh: - You are an employee of DSS. What did you 22/7?

14:12 Witness: - I was ready to guard and found myself at the junction Grubbegaten / limit when the bomb went off.

14:14 Witness: - I have no recollection of any smell, but it was a very noisy scenario.

14:14 Witness: - I see a witness with wounds in the head, and says that she needs help.

14:15 Witness: - I will hurry to get up in the area where it had happened, and taking pictures along the way.

14:15 Witness: - I see a large crater, and an engine block that is. Understand that there have been a bomb on the spot.

14:16 Witness: - I feel a really need to go into the building to look for people.

14:17 Witness: - I'll be me, standing on the debris. There is no one to see, and then sees two bodies outside. Both lie on your stomach.

14:18 Witness: - They were not easy to recognize. I bend down and work with her. Turns her around and see that she is trying to breathe.

14:18 Witness: - I will free the airways.

14:18 Witness: - The second is two steps further away. I have not done anything for her.

14:19 Witness makes contact with another colleague, and both are working with injuries in the area.

14:19 The falling window frames and glass around them.

14:20 Witness: - I cry for help, and there will be a policewoman. She looks up at the tower block, and turns.

14:21 Witness: - There are two police officers, we lift up the injured (the young woman who worked as a guard desk).

14:21 Witness: - We lifted out the other in a dignified manner.

14:22 Witness: - At the time I was expelled from the area by a police officer. I was dressed in civilian clothes.

14:23 The witness then observed what he thought was a suspicious car, which stood at the back of R5.

14:24 Witness: - I was alerted to the car to a police woman.

14:25 The witness account of the efforts he made in the area.

14:27 The witness goes on about how the emergency work was handled by the management staff of DSS.

14:27 Witness: - We expected it to be more like Mumbai.

14:29 The witness tells of when the crisis management takes in at a hotel, with terrified guests provided.

14:30 Witness: - We assembled equipment, chargers, communications equipment.

14:31 Witness: - I was in the evening asked to provide emergency plan, which was located inside the walled-off area. A creative person made sure to get into.

14:32 Witness: - I came home at 01 o'clock at night.

14:32 Witness: - I thought I'd sleep a little. It was tricky, I sat on the veranda and went to work again in the morning.

14:33 Prosecutors told Engh testified that the father of the young woman he rescued, is grateful.

14:34 The witness is asked by defense counsel Lippestad about the security of the government building, and whether this has been discussed.

14:34 Witness: - It has been loudly debated.

14:34 Lippestad: - What has been afraid of?

14:35 Witness: - Car bombs.

14:35 Lippestad: - Were there others who were concerned about?

14:35 Witness: - There was a general opinion, yes.

14:37 The witness has finished his explanation. This was the final witness. The court is adjourned until Thursday 09.00.

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